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Re: 2010 MKZ test drive [tiger16] by brucelinc
Apr 09, 2009 (6:08 am)
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Replying to: tiger16 (Apr 09, 2009 3:24 am)

I haven't driven a 2010 Fusion or Milan but I have spent some time in earlier models. While the ride quality of the MKZ might not be much different, the MKZ is much quieter and 3.5 engine is smoother and more powerful than the 3.0. I see that as important as the better trim. The quieter interior, and especially the quieter engine under acceleration moves the MKZ up the ladder a bit from the Fusion/Milan.
 
As for the CD player, the jukebox feature is very cool and simple to operate. It really makes the old 6 disc changer obsolete, IMO. I like the fact that you can download the CD and then use it in your home system or another vehicle. You don't need multiple copies of the same CD.
 
You and I are in agreement on the other features and those lacking. And, yes, I think the price gets a bit steep in spite of the more standard equipment. I really haven't driven any of the MKZ's competition so I can't make direct comparisions but I know that the ES with options can get up into MKS pricing territory fairly easily.
 
If my choice was between an MKZ and a 2010 Taurus Limited, I would take the Taurus in a heartbeat and pocket a few thousand bucks.
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Re: 2010 MKZ test drive [brucelinc] by gregg_vw
Apr 09, 2009 (7:40 am)
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Replying to: brucelinc (Apr 09, 2009 6:08 am)

Remember that the 2010 Fulan is significantly quieter than it was (adopting much of the 07-09 MKZ noise suppression). LIncoln did make the 10 MKZ quieter than the 09 though. The 2010 3.0 liter is much improved over the 09, and the hp gap between that and the 3.5 is now far less. Plus, the same 3.5 is now available in the Fusion. None of the engines sound refined under hard acceleration, but otherwise, NVH levels are very good.
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Re: 2010 MKZ test drive [gregg_vw] by brucelinc
Apr 09, 2009 (8:50 am)
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Apr 09, 2009 7:40 am)

Yes, and the difference between the 2010 MKZ and 2010 Fusion/Milan may not be so great.
 
Like others, I have read that the 3.5 "is not as refined" as Japanese V6s. The only Japanese V6 I have driven lately is my boss's Acura RL. I admit that the engine is pretty sweet. However, I really like the sound of the 3.5 and it is a lot smoother than the pre-2010 3.0. I also think there are some perception issues around this "refinement" argument. Other than smoothness and sound, I am not sure how you measure refinement.
 
http://media.ford.com/images/10031/10MKZ_Refined_Powertrain_Sound_Quality.pdf
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Re: 2010 MKZ test drive [brucelinc] by akirby
Apr 09, 2009 (9:14 am)
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Replying to: brucelinc (Apr 09, 2009 8:50 am)

I am not sure how you measure refinement
 
If mfr = (Honda, Acura, Toyota, Lexus, Nissan, Infiniti, MB or BMW)
then
engine is refined
else
engine is not refined
endif
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Re: 2010 MKZ test drive [akirby] by gregg_vw
Apr 09, 2009 (9:26 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Apr 09, 2009 9:14 am)

Looks to me like different people like to hear different things, but bottom line, there should be a change in the sound perception of wide open throttle between the 09 and 10 MKZ. Given what I've been reading (haven't seen or driven a 10), the MKZ should sound better, and given that it is significantly more quiet than the already pretty quiet 09, it is probably now more serene than the the bigger MKS. Will be interesting to compare.
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Re: 2010 MKZ test drive [gregg_vw] by brucelinc
Apr 09, 2009 (10:08 am)
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Apr 09, 2009 9:26 am)

The '10 MKZ really does sound better. Actually, to my ears, the sound quality is about the same except it seems further away or more muted. If I recall correctly, they changed the airbox on the '10s specifically to reduce the engine noise.
 
I think the base MKS 3.7 has more engine noise than it should - more than a '10 MKZ. Again, I have no objection to the quality of the sound - just the quantity. I look forward to the sound of a twin turbo MKS, though. They even have a tube that runs from the air intake up to the passenger compartment to enhance the sound- like the new Mustang. If I don't like it, I will plug that tube, though!
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Re: 2010 MKZ test drive [brucelinc] by akirby
Apr 09, 2009 (10:46 am)
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Replying to: brucelinc (Apr 09, 2009 10:08 am)

Sounds to me like they spent all their resources on the Fulanz and Taurus and the MKS will have to wait another year or two - except for the ecoboost engine.
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Re: 2010 MKZ test drive [akirby] by brucelinc
Apr 09, 2009 (11:21 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Apr 09, 2009 10:46 am)

While the MKS will never suit everyone, the twin-turbo engine is really all it needed to satisfy me. I quibble about a few other things but we could do that about any car. Nearly 350 ft.lb of torque at 1500 rpm can help me forget about some of its other shortcomings.
 
The MKS already has the structural enhancements that the 2010 Taurus is getting. Other than some engine noise from the 3.7, the MKS is a very quiet car and I think the suspension tuning is about right, considering its mission. While totally worthless to me, "park assist" will be available. I guess that trumps adjustable pedals from a technology viewpoint.
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Re: 2010 MKZ test drive [brucelinc] by akirby
Apr 09, 2009 (11:46 am)
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Replying to: brucelinc (Apr 09, 2009 11:21 am)

I don't think I've needed to parallel park in at least 15 years. I can't even think of any place around me that even has parallel parking spaces available. But I do think it's neat.
 
I think rather than gripe about what the MKS doesn't have (yet) that we should applaud Ford for not holding back on the Taurus features. In the past that would not have happened. That's a good sign. Ford is priority 1 right now, Lincoln is second and Mercury is only getting crumbs. Which is the right way to do it.
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About.com:cars review of the 2010 Lincoln MKZ by theman123
Apr 09, 2009 (1:58 pm)
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Well this will make some peopels brain hurt. the 2010 Lincoln MKZ is as nice as a Lexus350,
About.car:com review of the 2010 Lincoln MKZ
 
This is going to stir things up a bit.
 

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