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#2771 of 3018 Re: 2010 MKZ test drive [akirby]
Apr 09, 2009 (4:24 am)
akirby, thanks for the response to my post. I don't quite understand it though. You said to "get my facts straight." Exactly which facts were not straight? I said you can no longer get the Nav with a 6 CD changer - THAT'S A FACT. You consider the MP3/jukebox thing to be better - that is nothing more than your opinion. All that only works if one has the equipment, knowhow, time and desire to take advantage of it. I'm sure there are many potential buyers out there that would still like the convenience and simplicity of a 6 CD changer. Seems like Lincoln could have still allowed the Nav and changer to co-exist. Doesn't seems like rocket science for crying out loud.
Also, I said the base price increased by about 2K - THAT'S A FACT. Your comments about "things" now being standard is merely an attempt to justify the price increase. The problem with making certain things standard is you force people to pay for things they may not want. I'm sure there are potential buyers that do not want to pay extra for stability control or for sat radio or for cooled seats. My point is, adding more to the base price may not be good market strategy. Leave some things out and let the buyer decide if they want to pay for them. Your average buyer is going to look at the price of MKZ and Lexus and may very well say - I'll take the Lexus since it costs the same.
Here are my other comments on the 2010 MKZ:
Fewer exterior colors offered
No rear air vents
Less highway mileage than the 2009
Low profile tires
Again, which of these statements is incorrect? My comments concerning the ugly, cheap console and degraded stereo are opinions. Not right or wrong but, opinions. I'll give you that. You told me to get my facts straight before I start bashing. One might suggest that you brush up on your reading comprehension skills so you understand what you read. That way you can more appropriately bash the post rather than the poster. Fair enough?
One last thing concerning the Camry/ES thing. I have access to both. Family members have the Camry and a good friend has an 09 ES. I driven both. Toyota has done a good job separating the Lexus from the Camry. The Camry is no where near the MKZ but, the ES is nicer than the MKZ (my opinion). Other than some trim, I don't think there is much difference between the MKZ and Fusion/Milan.
#2772 of 3018 Re: 2010 MKZ test drive [tiger16]
Apr 09, 2009 (5:59 am)
You implied that losing the 6 cd changer was bad without mentioning that they've offered something better in it's place. With the internal jukebox you load it from cds - put in a cd, download it, put in another, etc. That is not much different than loading 6 cds except that it can hold 16 cds. This does not require a computer or anything other than putting cds in the radio in the car. You also implied that the car was $2K more expensive than last year without mentioning the added standard equipment. And the stability control is standard because the government is mandating it within a couple of years and all mfrs are doing that. So go complain to the government.
Just because your statements were "technically" correct does not make them less misleading. I'm with you on the lack of rear air vents and fuel mileage and I'll even grant you that the MKZ is not quite as nice as the ES (but I bet it handles a lot better based on the Fusion/Camry comparos). But it's not nearly as bad as you make it out to be.
#2773 of 3018 Re: 2010 MKZ test drive [tiger16]
Apr 09, 2009 (7:08 am)
I haven't driven a 2010 Fusion or Milan but I have spent some time in earlier models. While the ride quality of the MKZ might not be much different, the MKZ is much quieter and 3.5 engine is smoother and more powerful than the 3.0. I see that as important as the better trim. The quieter interior, and especially the quieter engine under acceleration moves the MKZ up the ladder a bit from the Fusion/Milan.
As for the CD player, the jukebox feature is very cool and simple to operate. It really makes the old 6 disc changer obsolete, IMO. I like the fact that you can download the CD and then use it in your home system or another vehicle. You don't need multiple copies of the same CD.
You and I are in agreement on the other features and those lacking. And, yes, I think the price gets a bit steep in spite of the more standard equipment. I really haven't driven any of the MKZ's competition so I can't make direct comparisions but I know that the ES with options can get up into MKS pricing territory fairly easily.
If my choice was between an MKZ and a 2010 Taurus Limited, I would take the Taurus in a heartbeat and pocket a few thousand bucks.
#2774 of 3018 Re: 2010 MKZ test drive [brucelinc]
Apr 09, 2009 (8:40 am)
Remember that the 2010 Fulan is significantly quieter than it was (adopting much of the 07-09 MKZ noise suppression). LIncoln did make the 10 MKZ quieter than the 09 though. The 2010 3.0 liter is much improved over the 09, and the hp gap between that and the 3.5 is now far less. Plus, the same 3.5 is now available in the Fusion. None of the engines sound refined under hard acceleration, but otherwise, NVH levels are very good.
#2775 of 3018 Re: 2010 MKZ test drive [gregg_vw]
Apr 09, 2009 (9:50 am)
Yes, and the difference between the 2010 MKZ and 2010 Fusion/Milan may not be so great.
Like others, I have read that the 3.5 "is not as refined" as Japanese V6s. The only Japanese V6 I have driven lately is my boss's Acura RL. I admit that the engine is pretty sweet. However, I really like the sound of the 3.5 and it is a lot smoother than the pre-2010 3.0. I also think there are some perception issues around this "refinement" argument. Other than smoothness and sound, I am not sure how you measure refinement.
#2776 of 3018 Re: 2010 MKZ test drive [brucelinc]
Apr 09, 2009 (10:14 am)
I am not sure how you measure refinement
If mfr = (Honda, Acura, Toyota, Lexus, Nissan, Infiniti, MB or BMW)
engine is refined
engine is not refined
#2777 of 3018 Re: 2010 MKZ test drive [akirby]
Apr 09, 2009 (10:26 am)
Looks to me like different people like to hear different things, but bottom line, there should be a change in the sound perception of wide open throttle between the 09 and 10 MKZ. Given what I've been reading (haven't seen or driven a 10), the MKZ should sound better, and given that it is significantly more quiet than the already pretty quiet 09, it is probably now more serene than the the bigger MKS. Will be interesting to compare.
#2778 of 3018 Re: 2010 MKZ test drive [gregg_vw]
Apr 09, 2009 (11:08 am)
The '10 MKZ really does sound better. Actually, to my ears, the sound quality is about the same except it seems further away or more muted. If I recall correctly, they changed the airbox on the '10s specifically to reduce the engine noise.
I think the base MKS 3.7 has more engine noise than it should - more than a '10 MKZ. Again, I have no objection to the quality of the sound - just the quantity. I look forward to the sound of a twin turbo MKS, though. They even have a tube that runs from the air intake up to the passenger compartment to enhance the sound- like the new Mustang. If I don't like it, I will plug that tube, though!
#2779 of 3018 Re: 2010 MKZ test drive [brucelinc]
Apr 09, 2009 (11:46 am)
Sounds to me like they spent all their resources on the Fulanz and Taurus and the MKS will have to wait another year or two - except for the ecoboost engine.
#2780 of 3018 Re: 2010 MKZ test drive [akirby]
Apr 09, 2009 (12:21 pm)
While the MKS will never suit everyone, the twin-turbo engine is really all it needed to satisfy me. I quibble about a few other things but we could do that about any car. Nearly 350 ft.lb of torque at 1500 rpm can help me forget about some of its other shortcomings.
The MKS already has the structural enhancements that the 2010 Taurus is getting. Other than some engine noise from the 3.7, the MKS is a very quiet car and I think the suspension tuning is about right, considering its mission. While totally worthless to me, "park assist" will be available. I guess that trumps adjustable pedals from a technology viewpoint.