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2010 MKZ test drive by brucelinc
Apr 03, 2009 (5:21 pm)
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At the car show recently, Ford was offering a $50 gift card for test driving one of their vehicles so I took a spin in a 2010 MKZ today.
 
I really like the new front and rear ends but it would have been nice to change the greenhouse/roofline to take it further from the Fusion look. The interior is a nice upgrade although I do not care for the looks of the console. Overall, the 2010 looks a bit more upscale to my eyes than previous models.
 
The MKZ has a pretty quiet ride. They have done a nice job with managing engine noise and it sounds more refined than the last MKZ I drove. It also has a more pleasing sound than my wife's 2008 Taurus which has the same drivetrain. The model I drove was an AWD with only a few miles so it seemed a bit lethargic but it would probably be better when broken in.
 
For me, the ride was pretty compliant but a bit busy as you might expect with short wheelbase. While I did not push the car hard, it seemed to handle very well and not nearly as ponderous as a Taurus or MKS. The overall feel reminded me a bit of my LS - tight, solid, and well controlled. Individuals bumps are handled well but over seriously bad concrete roads the LS is smoother. The Taurus is softer than either of them but it lacks the quick reflexes.
 
There are 3 relatively inexpensive items that the MKZ lacks that would make a world of difference to me. The tilt/telescope wheel should be powered instead of having an unwieldly lever. It needs rear seat AC vents. Last, and most certainly not least - IT STILL HAS A DAMNABLE PROP-ROD HOOD. Totally unacceptable in this price range.
 
It has been a long time since I have driven an ES350 so I can't make comparisons to that. The sticker on the car I drove was around $40,000 and that strikes me as pretty high for what you get. However, I can understand why many buyers would find the MKZ to be a very pleasant, comfortable mid-size sedan. There are quite a few good sedans in this price range, though.
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Re: 2010 MKZ test drive [brucelinc] by tiger16
Apr 06, 2009 (11:25 am)
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Replying to: brucelinc (Apr 03, 2009 5:21 pm)

Good post! I can't help but be a little disappointed in the new MKZ. Some subtle exterior changes and an overall nicer interior but, I don't think these changes will interest those that didn't care for the original Zephyr/MKZ. And Ford continues to fall just short of what they need to do to pull equal to the target competition. Did you note that the new MKZ only offers 7 exterior colors with no blue. What's up with that? They offer 9 and 10 on the Fusion/Milan and MKS. I guess I can understand fewer color options than the MKS but fewer that the Fusion/Milan - a mind bogler!
I also agree that the console could be nicer. It looks cheap with all that black. It needs some wood, especially a wood shifter. A leather wrapped shifter - big deal. My Maxima had that. Some people may like the contrasting seat piping, I hate it. It looks kind of tacky and I think a lot of people will be turned off by it. Seems like a desperate and inexpensive effort by Ford just to be "different." If buyers really liked that look, I would think Lexus, Cadillac, Infiniti and Acura would have already offered it. No heat or A/C vents for the rear seating compartment. Who is Lincoln competing with, Camry or Lexus?
There are so many minor and inexpensive things Ford could do to make the MKZ a true entry luxury car but, instead they offer free satellite radio for 6 months. And at a price equal to that of the ES, I fear the MKZ is in trouble. The Zephyr/MKZ offered a lot of bang for the buck and at several thousand dollars less could still only manage sales of about half the ES. What in the world makes Ford think they can jack the price up so much, especially when the MKZ isn't quite as nice?
I was seriously considering trading in my Zephyr for the new MKZ but now, I'll be looking elswhere or holding off until 2011. The 2010 MKZ just isn't a mind changer.
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Re: 2010 MKZ test drive [tiger16] by bigt
Apr 06, 2009 (11:58 am)
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Replying to: tiger16 (Apr 06, 2009 11:25 am)

I just purchased the Mecury Milan Hybrid. I am getting 32 consistance MPG and average around 40 on those short trips to the store, etc.
 
Traded in my 2007 MKZ. I am very happy camper with all the technology, etc.
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MKZ to Mercury Milan Hybrid by redbone
Apr 06, 2009 (3:52 pm)
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I have an 07 Mkz as well but have very low mileage so I'll wait another year to get the Milan hybrid. I think that Lincoln will lose many sales to Milan hybrid.
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Re: 2010 MKZ test drive [brucelinc] by tk329
Apr 07, 2009 (11:30 am)
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Replying to: brucelinc (Apr 03, 2009 5:21 pm)

I am glad that someone else has posted the fact that the stupid rod that you use to hold up the hold should be used to beat up the people that made the decision to place it there. A couple of other things that tell you that the "Z" is closer to the Milan then the "S" is the lack of push button start,and the windshield washers on the hood,plus the hood rod. All of that except the price,which is closer to the "S". Figure!
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Re: 2010 MKZ test drive [tk329] by tiger16
Apr 08, 2009 (3:45 am)
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Replying to: tk329 (Apr 07, 2009 11:30 am)

Think I'll take some time to vent some more. First of all, since we take the time & effort to post here, it's safe to assume we all actually want Lincoln to succeed. This is the only format we have to let the idiots at Ford know what they need to do to once again acheive profitability. Too bad they don't listen.
Anyway, in my previous post, I stated I would not purchase the 10 MKZ. I went to the site to "build" one to see if I could be lured back. I found out some more disturbing things. The highway gas mileage is down from last year - not good for me since my daily commute on I-95 is 82 miles round trip. I have the Nav system an THX 6 CD changer on my Zephyr. Guess what, you can no longer get the Nav with the CD changer! You either get the Nav OR you get the CD changer. The Nav only comes with a single load CD. Even the new $2500 THX/Nav pkg is only single play. That's exactly what I want to do going 65 mph down I-95 - fumble with CD cases while trying to eject & insert CDs. Funny that you can get the Nav with 6 CD changer in Lexus, Infinti and Acura (didn't check Cadillac). Anytime you take away something that was previously offered, it's a downgrade. Once again Ford fails to meet the competition. And after checking the competitions' sites, I just can't get excited about the "new" MKZ interior. It's still several notches below. Look at the ES or the CTS. Not even close.
So, in the 2010 MKZ, we have a prop rod, no air vents for the rear seats, a degraded audio system, a cheap looking console, fewer color choices (no blue), less gas mileage, low profile hard riding tires and a price increase of about $2K. This thing is looking more and more like a train wreck.
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Re: 2010 MKZ test drive [tiger16] by akirby
Apr 08, 2009 (5:12 am)
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Replying to: tiger16 (Apr 08, 2009 3:45 am)

The Lexus doesn't have a 10 gb jukebox or Sync either. You can rip 16 CDs to the internal jukebox - last time I checked that's a lot better than just 6 cds. Not to mention that you can use a USB flash drive or MP3 player with thousands of songs.
 
And the price increase is mostly due to options becoming standard like stability control.
 
At least get your facts straight before you start bashing.
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Re: 2010 MKZ test drive [akirby] by gregg_vw
Apr 08, 2009 (8:16 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Apr 08, 2009 5:12 am)

Lincoln has improved the MKZ quite a bit since Zephyr days. However, the MKZ drives like a Fusion Sport--without so much sport. Behind the wheel, it does not feel significantly diffferent from other reasonably equipped, non-luxury mid-sizers like the Fusion and Malibu. For the kind of coin they charge, the "feel" from behind the wheel should distinguish this model more. I'm afraid that until Lincoln has the resources and time to fully redesign this model, it will remain an also-ran in the marketplace. But at least it is no longer a dud in the near luxury field like the 2006 Zephyr was. Some day Lincoln may actually build cars again whose resale value doesn't plummet like a stone. To get there, they will need something truly special.
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Re: 2010 MKZ test drive [gregg_vw] by akirby
Apr 08, 2009 (10:00 am)
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Apr 08, 2009 8:16 am)

Have you driven the ES/Camry? Just curious if those are any better and if so, how?
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Re: 2010 MKZ test drive [akirby] by gregg_vw
Apr 08, 2009 (12:34 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (Apr 08, 2009 10:00 am)

Yes. The Camry is a nice solid feeling appliance...fairly quiet but no one would write home about the handling. The ES is more serene, more smooth. Not a "fun" drive, but the engine never sounds taxed even when you floor it, interior materials are impeccable at this price level, and the ride is pillow soft (again, not the car for spirited cornering). It really coddles for something based on the plebeian Camry. It is not a styling standout though. It is tasteful but anonymous. Though it shares not one panel with the Camry, unless you are a car guy like me, you might even mistake if for an uplevel Camry on a quick glance.

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