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#2481 of 3084 Re: Wish List for 2009 [tiger16]
Sep 26, 2007 (8:15 am)
I agree with all the items on Tiger16's wish list. I really like this car (actually love some aspects of it) and feel more connection with it than I did with my Lexus ES 300 BUT...I would like to see (1) better rear visibility; (2) better seat support (in the buttocks area, if I have to be specific) and better "finish" (e.g., carpeting looks cheap not high-thread count like Lexus; back side of glove box is 1/2 open.
Overall, though, I think Lincoln came close to nailing it with the MKZ. It's a great car!
#2482 of 3084 Re: Wish List for 2009 [fomocona]
Sep 27, 2007 (4:33 am)
Kudos to Ford for watching this site ... and responding!
Just purchased '08 MKZ fwd( replaces '03 Saab ), considered Lexus ES 350, but after trade MKZ was 5k less and my wife liked the color (silver vapor). Didn't need the AWD since my other car is Subaru Tribeca.
My first Ford since my '65 Mustang.
#2483 of 3084 Re: Wish List for 2009 [tiger16]
Sep 27, 2007 (6:24 am)
#2484 of 3084 Re: Wish List for 2009 [tiger16]
Sep 27, 2007 (6:55 am)
Thanks to fomocona for responding to my post and to calidd for the positive input. So, Ford listens but, do they respond? Case in point - the hood prop rod and lack of console rear vents have received numerous complaints. These are easily corrected, however, 3 yrs on now and still nothing has been done.
Anyway, I thought I would add to the growing list of tweaks:
Taller tires - all other things being equal, the more air between the bottom of the wheel and the road, the smoother the ride. The MKZ uses series 50 tires - too low. I checked the MKZ's competitors (Cadillac, Lexus, Infiniti, BMW) and ALL use series 55 tires. One might then assume that the 55 is the best tire for handling AND ride. Personally, I prefer a 60.
Hood shock - this has been beaten to death so, I'll only say if Lincoln wants to be considered a luxury brand, the prop rod has to go.
Console rear vents - takes too long and difficult to maintain a comfortable temperature for rear passengers without rear vents. Again, are you a luxury brand or not?
I would like to commend Ford for an overall good first effort and for providing a lot of bang for the buck. It's now time to bring the MKZ to the next level. I would also like to thank Ford for making the moonroof an option and not standard. Some of us don't like them and at 6'2" some of us find them a tight squeeze. When I got my 06 it came down to the Zeph and the ES. Couldn't get the ES w/o the moonroof so I went with the Zeph. Making the moonroof std. is nothing more than a money grab. Keep it an option.
Also, I'm disappointed in the lack of activity on this site. Some of the other sites I peruse are jammed daily. Just doesn't seem to be a lot of Lincoln passion out there right now and that doesn't bode well for this nameplate. Sites like this MAY be an opportunity to wake Ford up and elevate this car. Keep the comments coming!
#2485 of 3084 Re: Wish List for 2009 [tiger16]
Sep 27, 2007 (8:29 am)
The MKZ was never meant to be a car that inspires "passion." It was stop gap only. The LS was the last time Lincoln has tried to leapfrog over the pack.
The MKS should be a better effort, but the time it has taken to bring it to market is shameful, especially since there has been nothing else sedan-wise in the pipeline--until the very recent decision to get a RWD sedan up and running in a "few years."
It was over five years ago that the Continental concept was shown. It will be SIX years from there to Job 1 on the MKS. And it will offer nothing much that hasn't been available via Acura and Lexus and Audi for years.
Passion would be the MKR. Passion would have been the Continental in 2005. Passion is not MKZ and MKX, a new nose on the Navigator, or the laughably neglected Town Car.
#2486 of 3084 Re: Wish List for 2009 [tiger16]
Sep 27, 2007 (12:59 pm)
Tiger, you originally suggested MKZ owners describe what tweaks they would like. I would add that those of us who considered an MKZ but did not buy could provide insight as well.
I agree with your list of tweaks. In fact, a couple of the shortcomings you mentioned are exactly why I am not driving an MKZ. I would, of course, add the D-L shifter as another big turn-off for me. The lack of stability control has been beaten to death but I will give it another whack.
As for the suspension tuning and tires, it would make sense to have a standard set-up with ride compliance the primary goal and an optional sport package with the firmer suspension and more aggressive low profile tires. Why not give buyers the choice?
I think it is a good bet that many of the shortcomings will be addressed in the next rendition of this car.
#2487 of 3084 My Main Wish for MKZ
Oct 04, 2007 (5:06 am)
What happen to all the talk from Billy Ford about Hybirds and Fords committment to them? My main wish is for better fuel economy.
#2488 of 3084 Re: My Main Wish for MKZ [bigt]
Oct 04, 2007 (5:31 am)
They were waiting for the 2nd gen hybrid system which I think just arrived with the Escape/Mariner hybrid. The CD3 hybrid (Fusion/Milan/MKZ?) will arrive next year.
#2489 of 3084 Re: My Main Wish for MKZ [akirby]
Oct 04, 2007 (7:14 am)
"They were waiting for the 2nd gen hybrid system which I think just arrived with the Escape/Mariner hybrid. The CD3 hybrid (Fusion/Milan/MKZ?) will arrive next year."
Huh? What 2nd gen hybrid technology? The Mariner/Escape have the same hybrid tech this year as they've had for the past several AFAICT. I looked on Mariner website and nothing says anything has changed for 2008.
As you know I'm sure, Ford's hybrid technology is not Ford tech, it is licensed from Toyota and Toyota controls the supply of parts in the sense that they buy more and get first dibs. For Ford to do more hybrids, the supply of components will need to increase.
#2490 of 3084 Re: My Main Wish for MKZ [jeyhoe]
Oct 04, 2007 (8:58 am)
That's why I said "I think" - apparently that was wrong. The 2nd gen hybrid system won't appear until next year with the Fusion Hybrid.
The 2nd gen hybrid system is more modular and more flexible and can be used in a variety of applications more easily.
As for Ford using Toyota's technology, you're incorrect. Ford developed their hybrid system on their own, then licensed certain parts from Toyota because their own internal design was very similar to Toyota's and they didn't want to risk a lawsuit for patent infringement. In return Toyota also licensed certain technologies from Ford. They also buy certain parts like transmissions from Toyota for the current hybrid Escape/Mariner - not sure if that's the case for the 2nd gen systems. I do know they use the same battery supplier as Toyota and batteries are the limiting factor right now.