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Lincoln Zephyr, Lincoln MKZ, Sedan
Jan 11, 2005 (11:37 am)
Squeezed footwells won't be avoided in this car, check out the following, click to increase the photo size and you will see the angle on the left reduces foot space. While this is a photo of the original concept interior I don't think this part changed. Aside from the clearly disappointing rear end it is still a reasonably nice car, not as nice as the concept though.
http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2006/2006-Lincoln-Zephyr-Dash-1- - 600x1200.jpg
Jan 11, 2005 (12:09 pm)
The concept vehicle was 8/10th production sized, therefore what you see, will be bigger.
The footwells will accept Size 14 shoes, and was designed to make it easier on ingress/degress for such large shoes. Which mean door openings were increased as well.
#243 of 3084 They really are learning
Jan 11, 2005 (1:18 pm)
Good observation, buckwheat (by the way, my favorite pancakes), and very interesting, ANT14 about the concept being 8/10. I don't know anywhere else on the Internet where such information is so readily available. This is just one more indication that Ford really is listening, learning, and then acting to improve their designs. By the way, the Mazda 6 footwells do not feel as squeezed as the Five Hundred, and since the Zephyr is wider, it should be even better.
#244 of 3084 Re: Rename it into Lincoln Cimarron
Jan 11, 2005 (4:12 pm)
Rename it the Lincoln Versailles. The Zephyr is to the Fusion/Milan as the Versailles was to the Granada/Monarch. The Zephyr is not an ugly car, and I don't dislike it, but I'd rather have a Mercury Montego.
#246 of 3084 Go back to the drawing board
Jan 12, 2005 (6:56 am)
There is overwhelming negative response (90%+) on the web chat rooms to the Zephyr.
The production version lost all of the sex appeal that the concept promised - long and low with bigger tires and tight bumpers and beautiful lower fascia details. THis could have set Lincoln apart and given it some design DNA that makes it sexy.
But the production model with the shortened and upright look of a Camry and "Giant" tailights do NOTHING to inspire positive emotion to buy this car. THere are just too many better choices in the market with more sex appeal and HP - G35, TL, CTS, BMW, Audi etc.
Ant - why would anyone really consider buying this warmed over, un-sexy pile of !#$%?
Lincoln had another opportunity (ref. 2000 LS) to really define itself and standout, but they took the safe road. Even the president of Lincoln says they are only forecasting 40,000 sales with the 3.5 engine and AWD. So how many do they expect to sell until then, maybe 20,000 to the greyhairs, because no one 30-45 is going to buy this when you can get the awaresome 300C!
#247 of 3084 Zephyz vs 300C
Jan 12, 2005 (8:14 am)
To me, the Zephyr is far nicer looking inside and out than the 300C, and I don't think the G35, TL, and others are anything to write home about.
However, the Zephyr will have to handle, ride, and stop well, accelerate nicely with the 3.0, be quiet, be equipped with the fancy features those other cars all have, and be no more than $30,000 to have a chance.
Also, don't forget the new Charger, which to me looks better than the 300C, and which will be priced well under the 300C.
#248 of 3084 Re: Zephyz vs 300C [fsmmcsi]
Jan 12, 2005 (9:10 am)
Your's is just one opinion and my point is the mass majority think Lincoln (again) missed a styling opportunity.
As far as the G35, TL and 300C, just look at their sales numbers, all are way over 50,000 per year and the Zephyr doesn't expect those kind of numbers. Makes you think Lincoln knew all along they have a dog on their hands. The only way to have any success is price below $30K price with a load of features.
Again, not an emotional sale, a price-driven sale!
Jan 12, 2005 (9:16 am)
"Ant - why would anyone really consider buying this warmed over, un-sexy pile of !#$%? "
All depends on what the person needs and what they are looking for in a car. It'll be priced rather reasonably, and will have AWD made available soon after. Sales target is around 30K.
#250 of 3084 Re: [ANT14]
Jan 12, 2005 (10:13 am)
Ant - But, if a customer wants luxury, 250hp, good looking car with an emotional "buy" factor, there are just too many better choices than the Zephyr!
Is there any hope of Lincoln delaying the fall'05 intro and fixing some of the styling problems that these chat rooms are ranting about?
We, the participants of these chat rooms, are the key "influentials" that create the buzz for a product and spread positive (or negative) word-of-mouth. You'd think Lincoln would respect what we are saying and gave us some response to these concerns before its too late.