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Lincoln Zephyr, Lincoln MKZ, Sedan
#1872 of 3084 Zephyr is a RIPOFF!
Nov 07, 2006 (7:20 pm)
2007 Ford Fusion V6 SEL-$28,235-$25,772-rebate $1,000
2007 Mercury Milan V6 Premier-$27,970-$25,611
2006 Lincoln Zephyr-$36,510-$33,269-rebate $1,000
Above figures includes all options available.
They all have the same underpinnings, frame, AND ENGINE!
Equipment included with Zephyr (not with Fusion or Milan): PREMIUM leather, 10 Driver and 10 Passenger seat adj, Passenger lumbar support, digital keypad door locks, 2 one touch power mirrors, driver auto dimming outside mirror, universal transmitter, dual front air condition zones, wood and leather dash and door trim, 2 memorized driver seat settings, optional Xenon headlights, optional 600 watt audio system, and element antenna. Is this worth $8,497 (if Fusion bought at invoice - rebate and subtract that from invoice - rebate of Zephyr)? I think not!
Buy a fully loaded Fusion V6 SEL and save yourself a lot of money!
If you really want to spend your money buy a fully loaded 2007 Honda Accord EX-L V6 with Navigation for MSRP-$29,995 and invoice-$27,075 or a fully loaded 2007 Hyundai Azera MSRP-$30,735 and invoice-$27,897. Azera doesn't have Navigation available but it does have more horsepower, torque, a larger interior and lager trunk than all mentioned sedans above! You could buy a portable Navigation. But really, stop being lazy and use a MAP!
Spending over $30,000 for a sedan is a waste of money in my opinion! If you must, buy Acura, Lexus, or Infinity!
#1873 of 3084 Re: Zephyr is a RIPOFF! [luvmbooty]
Nov 07, 2006 (7:55 pm)
You can buy a Zephyr with no options or you can pay more to get the all the additional options you can't get on the Fusion. The rest is for extra warranty and dealer service, higher quality interior, and extra margins to Ford for you to have the prestige of saying you drive a Lincoln instead of a Ford.
Not much different than upgrading from a loaded Camry to an ES350.
Of course it is not fully worth all the extra money since the manufacturer has factored in extra profit margins beyond the extra cost it costs to build the luxury variant.
#1874 of 3084 Re: Why pay invoice and/or over it ???? [rockylee]
Nov 07, 2006 (7:57 pm)
Rocky - unless you have compromising pictures of a sales manager you're not going to buy a car like the MKZ where supply is low and demand is high. They're only sitting on the lots for 19 days - the industry average is 2 months. $1500 over invoice is about the best you can do right now. If demand weakens then you can start dealing. Until then it will be take it or leave it.
#1875 of 3084 Re: Lincoln 14-speaker DVD-A THX Certified Audio [rockylee]
Nov 07, 2006 (8:01 pm)
It's not the best system available. Not as good as the Mark Levinson system e.g. And it's not going to rattle your teeth with tremendous base. But from what I've heard it's a great sounding system.
Why don't you go listen to one and decide for yourself? Car audio is way too subjective.
#1876 of 3084 Re: Lincoln 14-speaker DVD-A THX Certified Audio [akirby]
Nov 07, 2006 (9:08 pm)
That is what I need to do. I need to take some time and go listen for myself. Most of the Levinson systems outside of the 450 watt LS 460 are under 300 watts.
#1877 of 3084 Re: Why pay invoice and/or over it ???? [akirby]
Nov 07, 2006 (9:11 pm)
Demand might be high in some parts of the country, but I do see alot of them as inventory at dealerships down here in Tx, which makes me think I could achieve a good deal of some sorts. If I'm paying $1500 over invoice I'm getting a free bumper to bumper warranty up to 100K, and some other incentives otherwise I'd walk.
#1878 of 3084 Re: Why pay invoice and/or over it ???? [rockylee]
Nov 08, 2006 (6:49 am)
Just call the dealerships, ask for the sales mgr and ask him or her how much over invoice they want for a loaded MKZ. They'll usually tell you straight up. If they don't then hang up and call another one. Whatever they quote you will probably not include the infamous "doc fee" - additional dealer profit - usually around $400. And make sure that you get to keep any rebates.
Just remember a bumper to bumper extended warranty like that will cost the dealer at least $1000 and TANSTAAFL (There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch).
#1879 of 3084 Re: Why pay invoice and/or over it ???? [akirby]
Nov 08, 2006 (10:43 am)
I was offered by 3 dealerships first $1000 over invoice and then after just one more email $500 over invoice. This was for a fully loaded AWD MKZ. I did not ask about the 100k warranty but will I really keep it that long. I doubt it. But hey, I will ask anyway!
Has anyone see the MKZ in Vivid Red?
#1880 of 3084 Re: Why pay invoice and/or over it ???? [bigt]
Nov 08, 2006 (10:51 am)
If you get a real, Ford issued warranty (ESP) it is refundable if you sell the car before it expires.
The best place to buy them is www.fordwarrantys.com
#1881 of 3084 Re: Why pay invoice and/or over it ???? [scootertrash]
Nov 08, 2006 (11:20 am)
Thanks, does anyone know if you have a buddy who works for Ford if you can use any of his discounts in the purchase of a new Ford or Lincoln?