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You are in the Lincoln Zephyr/MKZ
What is this discussion about?
Lincoln Zephyr, Lincoln MKZ, Sedan
Nov 17, 2004 (10:00 am)
First let me say I really like this car, but in regards to your question re-legroom in the photo below it shows what I percieve to be a handicap to the left foot of drivers as the sidewall angles in and reduces foot space. I saw this car at the NY auto show but unfortunately it was on a platform and I could not sit in or see the drivers footwell or if the same exists on the passenger side. Whether this will be part of the final product, your guess is as good as mine. Until I can sit in this car it's just something to consider, but I do look forward to them building this car.
#140 of 3084 Re: [ANT14] & Buckwheat
Nov 19, 2004 (7:36 pm)
Thanks ANT 14 & Buckwheat - When can I expect to see the car on sale? Thanks
Nov 19, 2004 (8:01 pm)
Can't give you a specific month yet, since final details and supplier input, etc. hasn't just been finalized, but more accurate announcement will be made in January.
#142 of 3084 Re: [ANT14]
Nov 21, 2004 (5:49 pm)
FWIW, for what its worth, the Ford Five Hundred outaccelerates neither the Chrysler 300 3.5L or the 2004 Avalon according to MT. The new Avalon will seriously trump both.
I do agree however, that the 6sp makes the best of the situation, obviously.
Nov 22, 2004 (2:57 am)
That was according to Motor Trend which isn't the holy grail when it comes to instrumented testing, but according to ASCI independent testing it did. I personally rather go with an organization which isn't influenced by advertising dollars.
#144 of 3084 Which begs the question
Nov 24, 2004 (5:19 pm)
How does ASCI do its numbers? Is it not commissioned by the automakers? I've seen such comparisons only in mfg. literature.
Nov 24, 2004 (6:19 pm)
Not sure if ASCI has a website related to information that might answer that question.
Nov 27, 2004 (6:15 am)
First of all,
What the Hell is Ford on? Replacing their bread and butter cars in every model line with a rebadged, slightly reworked Mazda? Especially Lincoln- that marque used to mean quality and luxury, now their sales are fading away and they are introducing rebadged Mazda 6's and F150's! Well Ford has made their bed- now they will have to lie in it. Who on Earth would buy a rebadged Mazda 6 over a 3 series, CTS, or G35? Who?
Nov 27, 2004 (6:25 am)
"The New Avalon will seriously trump both."
Are you serious? Don't get me wrong, even for someone who thinks Toyota is the most over-rated product under the Sun, I can say that the Avalon is a very decent car. But it is not made for performance, and it's about as much fun as watching Public Access Television. It might have an advantage over the Five Hundred, but a 300 Touring? I doubt it.
And whether or not independent testing has a different outcome or not, I also would rather go with that. Whoever said magazines like Motor Trend are influenced by advertising dollars hit the nail on the head.
Nov 27, 2004 (9:21 am)
For decades, many Lincolns have been rebadged, slightly modified Ford. It's the only econimcally feasable way.
Mark8 = Tbird/Cougar
Continental = Taurus
Town Car = CrownVic/Grand Marquis
Navigator = Expedition
Aviator = Explorer/Mountaineer (next one won't be)
And it's the same formula that has worked with other automakers....
G20 = Primera (euro)
I30 = Maxima
QX4 = Pathfinder
QX56 = Armada
ES330 = Camry
LX470 = Land Cruiser
GX470 = 4Runner
RX330 = Highlander
I can go on and on, and I'm missing a few in there, but you get the idea.
The platform might be the same, but it'll drive very differently from the Mazda6. That's just it's starting point, doesn't mean it'll be a rebadged twin either.
It'll be as different, as the Focus, Mazda3 and Volvo S40 triplets are. And you have test driven each one, you will see they vary within each other in driving feel.