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Lincoln Zephyr, Lincoln MKZ, Sedan
#1362 of 3084 Re: Lincoln Zephyr vs. Toyota Avalon 2006 XL [gregg_vw]
Jun 12, 2006 (5:45 am)
"is more exclusive (you will see fewer of them)"
That is an interesting parameter. Actually it played a part in my purchase. I had the 300m since 2000 and thought about the new one and then said to myself, everyone has one of these see them all the time. I wanted something different. Now I must admit that you can go way over to that side because here in the Greater DC area I have only seen one or two of them since I purchased mine. Still if I find a sharp MKZ for 2007 I might trade up.
Jun 12, 2006 (9:07 am)
Ford should be the priority.
Volvo took the lead in making the engine? Great, so more moeny was spent by ford to pay them. They can take the lead all they want, give them the 3.5L to start working with, they can tone it down to 3.2 if they want (like cadillac with the 3.6) but Ford would have saved allot of development money, and most credit would have went to volvo, plus the 3.5L cost would be spread out better.
If volvo wants more space bet. the engine and the front of they car they can either redesign the car, or wait till ford has more money, b/c if ford/volvo worked together on this "V6 to save the company" as it could have been called, meybe it would come out of the gate AT 300 HP and give toyota something to worry about.
And many cutomers are growing tired of paying top dollar for inferrior euro performance from brands like jag/volvo/and less so Saab. The fact is, that our co's who own these brands could fit better parts in them. What GM did for saab by decreasing the turo the 3.2L gives the 9-3 some serious power. Im just saying that 236hp is a joke. And what volvo needs is irrelevant, its what we need that counts, and when a 25K camry bows past your new 35K volvo/Jag you will really feel that you got your moneys worth.
ANT, i love Ford, but IMO they made a terrible mistake here. They could have made the 3.5 even better, giving it DI in addition to its cirrent stup, but those funds were spent to give volvo an inline engine. Pathetic.
#1364 of 3084 Re: ? [exalteddragon1]
Jun 12, 2006 (9:36 am)
Does anyone know if any of the folks from the car manufactures ever browse these sites and read the comments?
Jun 12, 2006 (10:22 am)
So your saying, let's forget and throw everything out the window (crash space, perception, exclusive engine use) because all that counts is acceleration, and thats it?
It's important to take all the above mentioned senarios in consideration. Yes the $25K Camry can blow by the Volvo, just like the Mustang can do all the above for $21K, case being, buyer's aren't exclusively looking for power. And IF they were, a Turbocharged 3.2L will be made available later, in "R" format.
If manufacturer's followed what the rags would demand, all cars would be as huge as minivans, with V8/V10 engines, and RWD.
There's always going to be a vehicle, that is faster, another that handles better, and another that is less expensive, another that has better materials, etc. I haven't driven the perfect package yet...I know, I try them all. So the 3.2L will do fine, and for those who need more power, there's the "R" series.
#1366 of 3084 Re: ED [ANT14]
Jun 12, 2006 (11:11 am)
With gas prices as they are, who even is driving these days like a bat out of hell. Makes no sense this emphasis on acceleration. Heck a GPS is more important to me these days then being able to race some kids!
#1367 of 3084 Re: ? [exalteddragon1]
Jun 12, 2006 (1:02 pm)
My two cents...
236 hp is pretty good, I think. Especially in a 3.2. I happen to like that Ford and Volvo are remaining separate in terms of most engines and platform designs. I like that the 500 (highly modified from the Volvo platform) offers a 3.0 that has less hp than the 3.2. I still think they should offer it to those customers who don't want a bigger engine.
I don't think it is Volvo's fault that Ford took so long to develop an engine competitive with offerings from other companies. It is not just the 3.5 delay. Where is Ford's Hurricane engine? Where is the hot engine for the Focus? Why isn't there anything bigger than the 3.5 on the horizon for the 500? Where's any diesel for American Fords? Why are the hybrid models so far behind Toyota and Honda's offerings? Why can't they put something competitive in the Town Car?
The Zephyr will now get the 3.5, but what will be offered above that and when? The Fusion will soon need the 3.5 to be competitive (the Escape as well), and so how will the MTZ stand out? Volvo's I6 and V8 on its flagship seems a good range by comparison.
#1368 of 3084 Phone icon on THX stereo?
Jun 12, 2006 (1:27 pm)
I have the THX stereo (but no nav). The tuner button also has a icon on it that looks like a phone. Any idea what that is for?
#1369 of 3084 Re: Lincoln Zephyr vs. Toyota Avalon 2006 XL [gregg_vw]
Jun 12, 2006 (4:52 pm)
Yeah the blue pearl color looking Zephyr is really nice but I can find a color online? Do you know where I can a find of the blue/purple lookng Zephyr? But yeah I see to many Toyotas on the road, and only a few Zephyrs. But I'll pray about it. Thanks and God Bless.
#1370 of 3084 Re: Lincoln Zephyr vs. Toyota Avalon 2006 XL [heavensoldier]
Jun 12, 2006 (5:14 pm)
Personally, I wouldn't bother God about such a superficial thing as my choice of a near luxury sedan...but then maybe that's just me. God bless you too.
#1371 of 3084 Re: Lincoln Zephyr vs. Toyota Avalon 2006 XL [gregg_vw]
Jun 12, 2006 (6:38 pm)
Well I see God as a Father I try to talk to him about everything ))))) But thanks for the choice, this is really a hard decision. greg if you had to choose which one would you get? Both are great cars. God Bless