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Replying to: stevedebi (Aug 12, 2005 3:09 pm) Software is complex. I am in the software business so I know that. It is more difficult to redesign a piece of hardware (like a transmission for example) and apply the change to all affected cars if there is a design flaw. Also, both hybrid and non-hybrid cars cars have lots of software these days. So avoiding hybrids is no guarantee that you will avoid problems with software. Ask all the people having problems with automatic transmissions that act up and need to be "re-flashed", or that have problems with ESC programs, or with engine control computers, and on and on. |
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Replying to: larsb (Aug 11, 2005 9:02 am) I'm not sure where that got started. My understanding is the first Prius was sold in Japan December 1997. They did not have a concept car until late 1995. The whole thing got started as a result of the Clinton Administration's PNGV in 1993. The US makers were included and Toyota was left out. Toyota started on their own in 1994 to develop a hybrid. Chrysler had a hybrid ready in 1997 that got 70 MPG. They felt no one would pay the additional $7k and pulled the plug. It was not till August of 2000 that the Classic Prius was offered in the USA. The Current Prius was not offered until MY 2004 with sales beginning in October 2003. So the current Prius, that has been very successful, has not been out for two years yet. The Classic Prius has been in the USA for 5 years this month.
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Replying to: backy (Aug 12, 2005 1:21 pm) One thing I have noticed with all the problems in the Liberty CRD and the Toyota Prius. The owners still love their car. I don't recall any of them complaining about the noise level in the Liberty. It has it's growing pains for sure. If you want an SUV that you can beat around the back country with I would say it is as good as any of them. What other SUV can you get 27 MPG on the highway and crawl over rocks and through deep mud without having it break? Then tow a 5000 boat to the lake.
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Replying to: gagrice (Aug 16, 2005 10:55 pm) |
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Replying to: gagrice (Aug 16, 2005 10:42 pm) Gary, they were "road testing" the car in late 1994, and did not have a "auto show ready" concept car to show off until October 27th 1995. And way long before they can put something like a hybrid drivetrain actually into a car, they spend thousands of "lab hours" developing and testing the hardware. More details: http://www.autofieldguide.com/articles/100302.html
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Replying to: larsb (Aug 17, 2005 6:26 am) How much should a person pay to be an early adopter of a new technology? When I considered the Prius back in 2000, the biggest selling point for me was the 8 year 100k mile B to B warranty. I am not sure how long they offered that. That included ALL service for that warranty period. They did not want any other shops working on the car. The price was $20k plus TTL. |
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If you wish to discuss specific vehicles like the Prius or Liberty or whatever, please use the Browse by Vehicle search tool in the left siderbar to find the specific discussions for those vehicles. Let's keep this one restricted to more general points and helping folks decide what type of vehicle to buy. Thanks! |
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Good, long, recent review of an HCH: http://car-reviews.automobile.com/Honda/review/2005-honda-civic-hybrid-road-test/1381/ |
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Why the Prius?...Toyota quality and above average dealer service (at least mine was). The car really sells itself. Roomy seating and fairly comfortable seats. The Hybrid technology is superb once you get to a level of understanding it all. The milage goes without saying(47-55 mpg's) average. Hey!! It's a good looking car to boot. I like a hatchback for several reasons. Very versitile flip down seats. Storage everywhere. The CVT tranny is a blast...no shifting of gears. The transition from ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) to Stealth (Electric) is uncommonly smooth. When stuck in traffic I smile at the gas guzzlers eating fuel while I'm in electric mode burning nada gas. Going nearly 500 miles to a tank of gas is great!! Lastly, I enjoy my bumper stickers....(A Picture of a metal screw then O.P.E.C.) or Happiness is owning a Hybrid. My plate read 55 MPG. Nuff Said! Railroadjames( Want World Peace...Use Yer Turn-Signal) 
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