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Replying to: slickwill (Aug 11, 2005 8:45 am) It's NOT what I want.....The "unrealistic scenario" was the one which I pointed out to THEM is what would happen if they got their way.....It was not "me" presenting an unrealistic scenario which I then agreed with - not at all. I pointed out that the ridiculous "wait until a car has been on the road two years before buying it" crowd is doing a disservice to us all, and how, if they got their way, things would THEN become unrealistic. Does everyone else understand what I was doing?  As far as the SlickWill's statement "I never said don't buy a hybrid because it's new. I say wait to buy new technology until it is ready." - To that I say, "when it reaches the car lot it is REAL WORLD ROAD ready." If not, the carmaker would not put it on the road. Any new car is driven hundreds of thousands of miles in the R&D phase, and put through tremendous testing phases. That does not mean that they are PERFECT when they hit the showroom floor for the first time, but car makers do EVERYTHING POSSIBLE to make sure the car is safe, reliable, and road tested before Joe Consumer ever test drives it......The Hybrid technology in cars on the road today is all at least second generation stuff which has been on the road for millions of miles by now....The first Prius cars were tested on the road in Japan about 1994, and developed earlier than that.... This technology is NOT new by any stretch, unless you are comparing it to the lifetime of the Earth or something !!
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Replying to: railroadjames (Aug 11, 2005 8:53 am) Given the increasing number of people who are upside-down on their rides, and are financing for 84 (+) months, I'd say budgets are getting thrown right outside the window, lol. |
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Replying to: backy (Aug 10, 2005 6:37 pm) Since your are uninformed on the 2nd Generation CR-V, I will enlighten you. There was nothing wrong with the 2nd Gen CR-V. In the second year of that model, someone changed the manufacturor of the oil filter gaskets. These gaskets stuck to the engine block pretty easily. If the oil change was done correctly by the dealer (the service rep has to visually check for the filter gasket coming off with the filter), there was no problem. If the service rep didn't check, it was possible to have the new filter double gasketed, causing an oil leak and possible fire. However, it wasn't the 2nd gen, it was the filter. It is a little known fact that many newer model cars put the catalytic converter as close as possible to the engine to increase the heat. Hence the possibility of having oil leak onto hot parts. I hope this clarifies the situation for you. I can't imagine where you got the idea it was a 2nd generation CR-V problem. I'm on my 5th oil change without problems. But then I have a really good dealer service department. Sorry to get a bit off of the topic, but I hate having bad facts just left standing there in a forum. I should also note that the NHTSB has no reports of CR-Vs stalling at highway speeds.
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| Just yesterday, in watertown, MA. I thought these cars were all destroyed! Anyway, being a pure electric-what kind of range did drivers get with these cars in the frigid NE winters? | |
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Replying to: stevedebi (Aug 11, 2005 10:00 am) That is good that there have been no NHTSB reports of CR-Vs stalling at highway speeds. Any reports of them catching fire at highway speeds, or did that always happen when they are sitting in the driveway or a garage?
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Replying to: stevedebi (Aug 11, 2005 10:00 am) |
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Replying to: backy (Aug 11, 2005 11:25 am) Oddly enough, the reports were at lower speeds, in the city, as I recall. I don't remember any at higher speeds. But a loose oil filter doesn't care what the speed is. The total number was around two dozen or so, out of the 175,000 or so sold since 2002... However, the issue is known, and is a human error with a definitive solution, unlike the potential Prius software stalling issues. Toyota has identified (and fixed) a problem with the 2004 Prius models, but that doesn't explain the 2005 problems. Hopefully it will turn out to be something other than software, but whatever it is, I'm sure they will eventually find and fix the problem (if it exists). |
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Replying to: stevedebi (Aug 12, 2005 11:18 am) |
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Replying to: backy (Aug 12, 2005 1:21 pm) There are two reasons that hardware problems are easier to fix: 1. They are easier to find. Software code runs to hundreds of thousands of lines (sometimes millions), and it could be just one or two of those lines causing the problem. 2. When one fixes a software problem, sometimes one introduces another problem. There was a wide-scale power outage many years ago that was traced to a couple of lines of software code in a generating plant. The change caused problems all across the grid. The problem went away when they but back the same code. They still don't know why that code had to be there (but I suspect is it still there today). This is just an example of the stuff that can go wrong with a "simple" software code change. The interconnectivity of software code is the reason we started this discussion. The Prius has to coordinate more code than other cars due to it's dual propulsion system.
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Replying to: stevedebi (Aug 12, 2005 3:09 pm) Software is complex. I am in the software business so I know that. It is more difficult to redesign a piece of hardware (like a transmission for example) and apply the change to all affected cars if there is a design flaw. Also, both hybrid and non-hybrid cars cars have lots of software these days. So avoiding hybrids is no guarantee that you will avoid problems with software. Ask all the people having problems with automatic transmissions that act up and need to be "re-flashed", or that have problems with ESC programs, or with engine control computers, and on and on. |
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