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#434 of 453 Re: "Smart" choices [mirth]
Aug 11, 2005 (9:46 am)
"Buying a car is 1/3 intellect and 2/3 emotion. That's why people still buy cars in their first model year. "
well put mirth. exactly.
Aug 11, 2005 (9:53 am)
I almosty agree with your assessment 1/3 intellect & 2/3 emotion....BUT...I would figure it more like this....1/3 emotion ...1/3 intellect...and 1/3 budget. Nuff Said.
P.S. I couldn't afford my 1st (used) Corvette till I was in my 40's. It had special meaning cuzz I did alot of dreaming of the day when I'd be in the driver's seat.
#436 of 453 Re: Like I said - if everyone was "SMART" and waited two years [slickwill]
Aug 11, 2005 (10:02 am)
I think we are just debating semantics now, but the scenario I proposed was what would happen if the "wait two years until the kinks are worked out before buying a new car model" people GOT WHAT THEY WANTED.
It's NOT what I want.....The "unrealistic scenario" was the one which I pointed out to THEM is what would happen if they got their way.....It was not "me" presenting an unrealistic scenario which I then agreed with - not at all.
I pointed out that the ridiculous "wait until a car has been on the road two years before buying it" crowd is doing a disservice to us all, and how, if they got their way, things would THEN become unrealistic.
Does everyone else understand what I was doing?
As far as the SlickWill's statement "I never said don't buy a hybrid because it's new. I say wait to buy new technology until it is ready." -
To that I say, "when it reaches the car lot it is REAL WORLD ROAD ready." If not, the carmaker would not put it on the road. Any new car is driven hundreds of thousands of miles in the R&D phase, and put through tremendous testing phases. That does not mean that they are PERFECT when they hit the showroom floor for the first time, but car makers do EVERYTHING POSSIBLE to make sure the car is safe, reliable, and road tested before Joe Consumer ever test drives it......The Hybrid technology in cars on the road today is all at least second generation stuff which has been on the road for millions of miles by now....The first Prius cars were tested on the road in Japan about 1994, and developed earlier than that....
This technology is NOT new by any stretch, unless you are comparing it to the lifetime of the Earth or something !!
#437 of 453 Re: WHY WE BUY CARS! [railroadjames]
Aug 11, 2005 (10:55 am)
BUT...I would figure it more like this....1/3 emotion ...1/3 intellect...and 1/3 budget. Nuff Said.
Given the increasing number of people who are upside-down on their rides, and are financing for 84 (+) months, I'd say budgets are getting thrown right outside the window, lol.
#438 of 453 Re: Escape hybrid vs. Jeep Liberty diesel [backy]
Aug 11, 2005 (11:00 am)
"You mean like those redesigned small SUVs that had a major problem with oil filters, causing fires? Which SUVs were those, again?"
Since your are uninformed on the 2nd Generation CR-V, I will enlighten you.
There was nothing wrong with the 2nd Gen CR-V. In the second year of that model, someone changed the manufacturor of the oil filter gaskets. These gaskets stuck to the engine block pretty easily. If the oil change was done correctly by the dealer (the service rep has to visually check for the filter gasket coming off with the filter), there was no problem. If the service rep didn't check, it was possible to have the new filter double gasketed, causing an oil leak and possible fire.
However, it wasn't the 2nd gen, it was the filter. It is a little known fact that many newer model cars put the catalytic converter as close as possible to the engine to increase the heat. Hence the possibility of having oil leak onto hot parts.
I hope this clarifies the situation for you. I can't imagine where you got the idea it was a 2nd generation CR-V problem.
I'm on my 5th oil change without problems. But then I have a really good dealer service department.
Sorry to get a bit off of the topic, but I hate having bad facts just left standing there in a forum.
I should also note that the NHTSB has no reports of CR-Vs stalling at highway speeds.
#439 of 453 I SAW an EV1!
Aug 11, 2005 (11:55 am)
Just yesterday, in watertown, MA. I thought these cars were all destroyed! Anyway, being a pure electric-what kind of range did drivers get with these cars in the frigid NE winters?
#440 of 453 Re: Escape hybrid vs. Jeep Liberty diesel [stevedebi]
Aug 11, 2005 (12:25 pm)
Thanks for the clarification. I supposed that means if a part comes from a supplier other than the auto manufacturer itself, then it is not considered a problem with that car. For example, if a hybrid had a problem with its battery pack, it would not be considered a problem with the hybrid car. Also, if there is any part in a hybrid related to the stalling problem you mentioned that was not manufactured by the automaker, then that too is not a problem with the car.
That is good that there have been no NHTSB reports of CR-Vs stalling at highway speeds. Any reports of them catching fire at highway speeds, or did that always happen when they are sitting in the driveway or a garage?
#441 of 453 Re: Escape hybrid vs. Jeep Liberty diesel [stevedebi]
Aug 11, 2005 (3:46 pm)
They're pretty reliable unless they catch fire. That is RARE!! I read that thing about the gasket too. Remember when it was in the papers? The press JUMPED on it!!
#442 of 453 Re: Escape hybrid vs. Jeep Liberty diesel [backy]
Aug 12, 2005 (12:18 pm)
"That is good that there have been no NHTSB reports of CR-Vs stalling at highway speeds. Any reports of them catching fire at highway speeds, or did that always happen when they are sitting in the driveway or a garage?"
Oddly enough, the reports were at lower speeds, in the city, as I recall. I don't remember any at higher speeds. But a loose oil filter doesn't care what the speed is. The total number was around two dozen or so, out of the 175,000 or so sold since 2002...
However, the issue is known, and is a human error with a definitive solution, unlike the potential Prius software stalling issues. Toyota has identified (and fixed) a problem with the 2004 Prius models, but that doesn't explain the 2005 problems. Hopefully it will turn out to be something other than software, but whatever it is, I'm sure they will eventually find and fix the problem (if it exists).
#443 of 453 Re: Escape hybrid vs. Jeep Liberty diesel [stevedebi]
Aug 12, 2005 (2:21 pm)
So a hardware problem (like a defective oil filter, or transmission perhaps) is better than having a software problem? Personally I'd rather have a software problem. The fix, once found, is easy--load the new software. You can't load new software and do anything about the rattling of the Liberty's diesel engine.