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Replying to: xcel (Apr 29, 2004 10:44 am) I don't know how much better Honda iCDTi diesel engine is compared to VW diesel engine. I do know that 1.0L VW Lupo can do 0-60 mph in just 35 seconds. Yup, 35 seconds. Dennis |
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Hi Usbseawolf2000: ___The iCDTi in the Accord Diesel accelerates the Accord from 0 - 62 mph in 9.4 seconds. Yes, 9.4 seconds to 62 mph, not 9.8, not 10.6, not 11.4, not 35. Expect 9.0 - 9.2 to 60 mph. The Accord is a few hundred pounds heavier then the 04 Prius yet has all the lux of a std. true and larger mid-size automobile and real world performance to boot … It is only available as a stick and is for European consumption only at this point in time  ___Good Luck ___Wayne R. Gerdes |
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Replying to: xcel (Apr 29, 2004 7:16 pm) Dennis |
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Hi Usbseawolf2000: ___After reading it again, you might understand … Now imagine a 1.0 - 1.3 L iCDTi in an Insight or HCH that weighs almost half as much with its aerodynamics improved or intact … ___This is the Honda magicians at work on the diesel side of the fence. It exceeds the Euro IV emissions using LSD and it has much better power, much better economy, and will cost a heck of a lot less then a Hybrid. That is why I imagine an Insight type automobile here in the states w/ a 1.0 - 1.3 L iCDTi installed. 80 – 100 mpg and 0 - 60 in < 10 seconds … Preferably a Formula Red Civic Si w/ leather, heated seats and mirrors, sunroof, power everything, side and side curtains, 16” 5 Spoke Alloys, a loss of at least 800#’s vs. the current Si … and that can be had for less then $21K after some negotiation  ___Good Luck ___Wayne R. Gerdes
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Replying to: xcel (Apr 29, 2004 11:37 pm) Well, even VW Lupo 1.0 weights 2,000lbs(910kg). It is about the same as the Insight. It does 0-60 in 35 seconds. Your imagination might be a bit far out in the future probably by at least two decades. =D Dennis |
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Hi Usbseawolf2000: ___Actually, the ~ 3,000 # Accord Saloon’s 2.2 L iCDTi is available today and has a > 60 mpg extra-urban Euro spec fuel economy estimate already. It does have a Cd of just .26 in its sedan form which most certainly helps … This is probably equivalent to 50 mpg by the EPA’s hwy estimate extrapolated. 2 Decades? No, probably more like 2 years. Honda is purchasing their 1.7 L Civic diesel from Isuzu currently (IIRC?) but it will only be a matter of time before it too gets the Honda diesel technology. I am speaking about the newly designed, high power, low NVH Honda diesel motor, not a VW Lupo’s that you keep referring too. ___Good Luck ___Wayne R. Gerdes |
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Hard to imagine how popular the Prius really is. I was down in South Florida for the weekend and didn't see one on the road! My friend who LOVES my '04 Prius and wants one badly called a few dealers. If you want package 8 or 9, you'll be waiting until mid 2005!! Way to go Prius!!!! Bought a G-tech and will be testing it out in a few cars. Will post the results next week. Anyone out there know how expensive it is to maintain diesel vehicles? Damn those things smoke so much I always have to press recirculate while following one of those suckers! Prius... way to go man!! |
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| I owned a 2002 TDI Golf 4 door for over 1.5 years and never had any of the smoke you referred to. The low end torque on the car is simply amazing while still averaging over 46mpg even with a full passenger load and A/C on. I would love to see that in a Prius or Insight. With the addition of an aftermarket chip you will be able to lay rubber in any gear. With the Passat 2.0TDI coming out this fall, you get comfort, power and efficieny. The technology exists now; hopefully automakers will realize that soon. | |
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"hopefully automakers will realize that soon." First you must make the buyers realize that. What djasonw has described is the perception. Decades of dirty, smokey, noisy. Nasty diesel cars that promise cleaner air. It may be hard to sell a revamped diesel car off the new car lot, like it would be a newly revamped Vega. (Well ok maybe that's too extreme  BTW I'm seeing Prius sometimes +2 a day here in N. Atlanta area. Only last Jan. was lucky to see one every 2 weeks. Thanks Steve |
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| Unfortunately you can't get a TDI in New York and Califormia. Nearly one quarter of the country's population lives in those states. I believe that will change next year or 2006 (from what I've read). I'd definitely consider a TDI even with the rough idle, noise and higher maintenance. Just wondering if a chip would void the warranty. I also hope the reliability would be good as a Toyota. | |
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