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Wayne, it's the fuel by stevedebi
Apr 29, 2004 (11:22 am)
Those engines require cleaner diesel fuel than we have here in the US...
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by xcel
Apr 29, 2004 (11:35 am)
Hi Stevedebi:
 
___Notice the LSD reference above. 2006/2007, even Diesel here will be the LS variety. Unless Bush and his Oil company cronies get involved of course
 
___Good Luck
 
___Wayne R. Gerdes
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Right, but I am talking now.. by stevedebi
Apr 29, 2004 (2:13 pm)
Wayne,
Yes, I almost mentioned that the diesel is due to get cleaner, but still it isn't good enough now...
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Re: [xcel #300] by usbseawolf2000
Apr 29, 2004 (4:37 pm)

Replying to: xcel (Apr 29, 2004 10:44 am)

"Now imagine a 1.0 - 1.3 L iCDTi in an Insight or HCH that weighs almost half as much with its aerodynamics improved or intact. You are talking about 100 mpg using the US’ EPA estimates (not the even more generous Euro spec fuel economy estimates listed above) without a stitch of Hybrid electrics. I bet it would out accelerate the current 5-speed Insight and/or the 04 Prius given the usable torque below 2,000 RPM as well."
 
I don't know how much better Honda iCDTi diesel engine is compared to VW diesel engine. I do know that 1.0L VW Lupo can do 0-60 mph in just 35 seconds. Yup, 35 seconds.
 
Dennis
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by xcel
Apr 29, 2004 (7:16 pm)
Hi Usbseawolf2000:
 
___The iCDTi in the Accord Diesel accelerates the Accord from 0 - 62 mph in 9.4 seconds. Yes, 9.4 seconds to 62 mph, not 9.8, not 10.6, not 11.4, not 35. Expect 9.0 - 9.2 to 60 mph. The Accord is a few hundred pounds heavier then the 04 Prius yet has all the lux of a std. true and larger mid-size automobile and real world performance to boot … It is only available as a stick and is for European consumption only at this point in time
 
___Good Luck
 
___Wayne R. Gerdes
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Re: [xcel #305] by usbseawolf2000
Apr 29, 2004 (9:44 pm)

Replying to: xcel (Apr 29, 2004 7:16 pm)

I thought that Accord has 2.2L engine. How does it relate to your comment of 1.0L-1.5L i-CDTi engine being able to achieve over 100mpg and out accelerate Prius and Insight? BTW, gearing could be optimized for 0-60 time. It'll be interesting to see 1/4 mile time.
 
Dennis
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by xcel
Apr 29, 2004 (11:37 pm)
Hi Usbseawolf2000:
 
___After reading it again, you might understand …
 
Now imagine a 1.0 - 1.3 L iCDTi in an Insight or HCH that weighs almost half as much with its aerodynamics improved or intact …
 
___This is the Honda magicians at work on the diesel side of the fence. It exceeds the Euro IV emissions using LSD and it has much better power, much better economy, and will cost a heck of a lot less then a Hybrid. That is why I imagine an Insight type automobile here in the states w/ a 1.0 - 1.3 L iCDTi installed. 80 – 100 mpg and 0 - 60 in < 10 seconds … Preferably a Formula Red Civic Si w/ leather, heated seats and mirrors, sunroof, power everything, side and side curtains, 16” 5 Spoke Alloys, a loss of at least 800#’s vs. the current Si … and that can be had for less then $21K after some negotiation
 
___Good Luck
 
___Wayne R. Gerdes
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Re: [xcel #307] by usbseawolf2000
Apr 30, 2004 (4:48 am)

Replying to: xcel (Apr 29, 2004 11:37 pm)

"That is why I imagine an Insight type automobile here in the states w/ a 1.0 - 1.3 L iCDTi installed. 80 – 100 mpg and 0 - 60 in < 10 seconds "
 
Well, even VW Lupo 1.0 weights 2,000lbs(910kg). It is about the same as the Insight. It does 0-60 in 35 seconds. Your imagination might be a bit far out in the future probably by at least two decades. =D
 
Dennis
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Usbseawolf2000 ... by xcel
Apr 30, 2004 (8:09 am)
Hi Usbseawolf2000:
 
___Actually, the ~ 3,000 # Accord Saloon’s 2.2 L iCDTi is available today and has a > 60 mpg extra-urban Euro spec fuel economy estimate already. It does have a Cd of just .26 in its sedan form which most certainly helps … This is probably equivalent to 50 mpg by the EPA’s hwy estimate extrapolated. 2 Decades? No, probably more like 2 years. Honda is purchasing their 1.7 L Civic diesel from Isuzu currently (IIRC?) but it will only be a matter of time before it too gets the Honda diesel technology. I am speaking about the newly designed, high power, low NVH Honda diesel motor, not a VW Lupo’s that you keep referring too.
 
___Good Luck
 
___Wayne R. Gerdes
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Florida- No Sightings by djasonw
May 04, 2004 (3:15 am)
Hard to imagine how popular the Prius really is. I was down in South Florida for the weekend and didn't see one on the road! My friend who LOVES my '04 Prius and wants one badly called a few dealers. If you want package 8 or 9, you'll be waiting until mid 2005!! Way to go Prius!!!!
 
Bought a G-tech and will be testing it out in a few cars. Will post the results next week.
 
Anyone out there know how expensive it is to maintain diesel vehicles? Damn those things smoke so much I always have to press recirculate while following one of those suckers! Prius... way to go man!!

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