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Hi All: ___And I still contend that Hybrid’s are a waste of $’s for what you receive … ___I have brought this up in the past but here is even more info on what I would buy if I had the ability to import one. The real answer lye’s with the Honda Accord using Honda’s all new iCDTi Diesel. http://www.carkeys.co.uk/launches/honda/2501.asp The exact capacity is 2204cc, the peak power output is 138bhp at 4000rpm, and Honda - whose petrol engines are maximised more for ultimate power than for torque - is rather pleased at the 250lb/ft its turbo diesel produces at 2000rpm. The saloon, by contrast, is one of the quietest, smoothest and most refined diesel-powered cars on the market. It manages the 0-62mph sprint in 9.4 seconds and goes on to a maximum of 130mph. If it hadn't been able to beat 60mpg in the extra urban economy test, it wouldn't really have been in the running, but the official figures are 61.4mpg extra urban and 52.3mpg combined. Similarly, 150g/km would have been the target for CO2 emissions, and the actual result is well below that on 143. ___Now imagine a 1.0 - 1.3 L iCDTi in an Insight or HCH that weighs almost half as much with its aerodynamics improved or intact. You are talking about 100 mpg using the US’ EPA estimates (not the even more generous Euro spec fuel economy estimates listed above) without a stitch of Hybrid electrics. I bet it would out accelerate the current 5-speed Insight and/or the 04 Prius given the usable torque below 2,000 RPM as well. ___Why in America do we keep having to screw around when this simple and much less expensive technology is available right now for the Accord and should be available soon for the Civic and a high mileage version of the Civic CRX-HF/VX/Insight Echo/Corolla/Camry whatever  LSD (LSD=low sulfur diesel) is almost here but Bush and his oil cronies will probably get in the way of that Clean Air initiative milestone as well? ___Here Toyota and Ford, stick this in your Prius, Highlander, RX400h, and Escape and smoke it  ___Good Luck ___Wayne R. Gerdes
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Hi Stevedebi: ___Notice the LSD reference above. 2006/2007, even Diesel here will be the LS variety. Unless Bush and his Oil company cronies get involved of course ___Good Luck ___Wayne R. Gerdes |
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Wayne, Yes, I almost mentioned that the diesel is due to get cleaner, but still it isn't good enough now... |
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Replying to: xcel (Apr 29, 2004 10:44 am) I don't know how much better Honda iCDTi diesel engine is compared to VW diesel engine. I do know that 1.0L VW Lupo can do 0-60 mph in just 35 seconds. Yup, 35 seconds. Dennis |
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Hi Usbseawolf2000: ___The iCDTi in the Accord Diesel accelerates the Accord from 0 - 62 mph in 9.4 seconds. Yes, 9.4 seconds to 62 mph, not 9.8, not 10.6, not 11.4, not 35. Expect 9.0 - 9.2 to 60 mph. The Accord is a few hundred pounds heavier then the 04 Prius yet has all the lux of a std. true and larger mid-size automobile and real world performance to boot … It is only available as a stick and is for European consumption only at this point in time ___Good Luck ___Wayne R. Gerdes |
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Replying to: xcel (Apr 29, 2004 7:16 pm) Dennis |
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Hi Usbseawolf2000: ___After reading it again, you might understand … Now imagine a 1.0 - 1.3 L iCDTi in an Insight or HCH that weighs almost half as much with its aerodynamics improved or intact … ___This is the Honda magicians at work on the diesel side of the fence. It exceeds the Euro IV emissions using LSD and it has much better power, much better economy, and will cost a heck of a lot less then a Hybrid. That is why I imagine an Insight type automobile here in the states w/ a 1.0 - 1.3 L iCDTi installed. 80 – 100 mpg and 0 - 60 in < 10 seconds … Preferably a Formula Red Civic Si w/ leather, heated seats and mirrors, sunroof, power everything, side and side curtains, 16” 5 Spoke Alloys, a loss of at least 800#’s vs. the current Si … and that can be had for less then $21K after some negotiation ___Good Luck ___Wayne R. Gerdes
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Replying to: xcel (Apr 29, 2004 11:37 pm) Well, even VW Lupo 1.0 weights 2,000lbs(910kg). It is about the same as the Insight. It does 0-60 in 35 seconds. Your imagination might be a bit far out in the future probably by at least two decades. =D Dennis |
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Hi Usbseawolf2000: ___Actually, the ~ 3,000 # Accord Saloon’s 2.2 L iCDTi is available today and has a > 60 mpg extra-urban Euro spec fuel economy estimate already. It does have a Cd of just .26 in its sedan form which most certainly helps … This is probably equivalent to 50 mpg by the EPA’s hwy estimate extrapolated. 2 Decades? No, probably more like 2 years. Honda is purchasing their 1.7 L Civic diesel from Isuzu currently (IIRC?) but it will only be a matter of time before it too gets the Honda diesel technology. I am speaking about the newly designed, high power, low NVH Honda diesel motor, not a VW Lupo’s that you keep referring too. ___Good Luck ___Wayne R. Gerdes |
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