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Hi Backy: ___In regards to the battery costs, I think they might be speaking about costs to the OEM or possibly the cost in 2005 maybe? ___Good Luck ___Wayne R. Gerdes |
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Replying to: xcel (Apr 22, 2004 6:53 pm) Toyota develops Inverter and APU in one unit in house. They call it Power Control Unit. According to that 2001 study, APU and Inverter should cost $3,980+$1,730=$5,710. Toyota can easily save 2k to 3k there. Toyota Power Control Unit  HSD does not have a transmission so, subtract $1,100. Motor and generators are also manufactured in house. Toyota is saving $3,500 to $4,500 by doing almost everything in house. Dennis |
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Regardless of how Toyota amortizes their R & D it is of no concern to me. All new technology is expensive when it is first developed. When hybrids start to become more prevalent, you will see manufacturing costs decrease as well, which will allow for more profit (NOT lower prices). Once other platforms have the hybrid engine, those R & D costs will be allocated on a greater scale. Perhaps Toyota was saying they DO make money when NOT subtracting allocable R & D. Either way, it is going to be interesting to see what the next few years will bring with respect to this new technology.
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Replying to: djasonw (Apr 23, 2004 3:08 pm) Since Toyota has great control of HSD, improvements and tweaking can come sooner than other car companies. Dennis |
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| I saw this article and wanted to post it here, wonder what the numbers this time next year will look like. - snip - Honda Leads in Hybrids…For Now - With Toyota getting so much attention over the past few months for its remarkable second generation Prius, Honda, its chief rival for the affections of hybrid buyers, must be feeling a little left out. But today it can claim a victory, albeit a potentially fleeting one. According to R.L. Polk registration data the Civic Hybrid edged out the Prius…21,750 to 20,387 to become the best-selling hybrid in the U.S. in 2003. Hybrid sales overall were up over 25% in 2003 with total registrations of 43,435. http://www.autofieldguide.com/dp/auto/newsmonger.cfm?id=777 | |
| Hope Honda basks in the glory while it lasts. With annual Prius production at 47,000 units for the U.S. and nearly every one pre-sold, and with the RX400h coming on line later this year, the Highlander hybrid in early 2005, and the Camry hybrid in (estimated) late 2005, it will be hard for Honda to keep up numbers-wise with just the Civic and Accord hybrids unless they plan on making (and selling) lots of Accord hybrids. | |
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| Don't think the Prius was destined to be a volume seller and moneymaker. More of an opening salvo in the hybrid market. I'd say in five years, or less, there will be several offerings from Toyota in their large SUVs and we'll see a Cambry Hybrid, then the profit margins will be acceptable. The Prius, I think, is just to get people comfortable with the whole concept and to prove the reliability of the equipment, and the unusual looks gets it free advertising. | |
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Hi All: ___And I still contend that Hybrid’s are a waste of $’s for what you receive … ___I have brought this up in the past but here is even more info on what I would buy if I had the ability to import one. The real answer lye’s with the Honda Accord using Honda’s all new iCDTi Diesel. http://www.carkeys.co.uk/launches/honda/2501.asp The exact capacity is 2204cc, the peak power output is 138bhp at 4000rpm, and Honda - whose petrol engines are maximised more for ultimate power than for torque - is rather pleased at the 250lb/ft its turbo diesel produces at 2000rpm. The saloon, by contrast, is one of the quietest, smoothest and most refined diesel-powered cars on the market. It manages the 0-62mph sprint in 9.4 seconds and goes on to a maximum of 130mph. If it hadn't been able to beat 60mpg in the extra urban economy test, it wouldn't really have been in the running, but the official figures are 61.4mpg extra urban and 52.3mpg combined. Similarly, 150g/km would have been the target for CO2 emissions, and the actual result is well below that on 143. ___Now imagine a 1.0 - 1.3 L iCDTi in an Insight or HCH that weighs almost half as much with its aerodynamics improved or intact. You are talking about 100 mpg using the US’ EPA estimates (not the even more generous Euro spec fuel economy estimates listed above) without a stitch of Hybrid electrics. I bet it would out accelerate the current 5-speed Insight and/or the 04 Prius given the usable torque below 2,000 RPM as well. ___Why in America do we keep having to screw around when this simple and much less expensive technology is available right now for the Accord and should be available soon for the Civic and a high mileage version of the Civic CRX-HF/VX/Insight Echo/Corolla/Camry whatever  LSD (LSD=low sulfur diesel) is almost here but Bush and his oil cronies will probably get in the way of that Clean Air initiative milestone as well? ___Here Toyota and Ford, stick this in your Prius, Highlander, RX400h, and Escape and smoke it  ___Good Luck ___Wayne R. Gerdes
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| Those engines require cleaner diesel fuel than we have here in the US... | |
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