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| Europe is doing fine? Strange last time I looked we had a higher standard of living than Europe. But they do have quite a few more diesels than we do and even have a smart car diesel that gets 80 mpg without being a hybrid. In fact I think California has a bigger economy than many European states. I hope no one here aspires to fall back to a European quality of life? That is depressing. | |
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Two guys were talking at a gas station, one with a full-size truck and the other with a large SUV. The price of gas on the pump was $9.65 And one driver was saying to the other, " I am going to quit driving if the price ever gets to $10 a gallon". I don't think gas price is going to be the motivating factor for most people to go to the Prius or other high mileage alternatives. |
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It isn't that we that have trucks wouldn't like better fuel mileage. My F-250 Power Stroke gets better fuel mileage than a Tundra or Titan and can haul twice as much. It is just that we love our trucks so much for all that we can do with them. Yes, my truck weighs a bunch and yes if a small car and I happen to cross bumpers I win, every time. And it isn't about accidents either because I doubt if there is any proof that trucks are in more accidents than small cars. It is about what they can do now and not losing any of that. If they come out with a Hybrid truck like the Dodge with the generator I can see truck owners going for that. But they won't if that have to give up as large a percentage of performance in Pulling and towing as hybrid car owners have to give up today. The problem is that until hybrids will do what ICE vehicles already do and as well as ICE cars do it why get a hybrid? But if the new hybrids do haul, tow and perform as well as the ICE vehicle they replace plus get better fuel mileage who will complain? Still till they get to that place you only have two choices, Honda and Toyota. Other wise look for something else.
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Replying to: boaz47 (Apr 12, 2004 1:58 pm) |
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| Dodge has been testing their hybrids with the Military for a year or two now. The concept truck comes with a Generator that can be used for workmen that need the electric power once on the Job site. But for now no one can get them except the government so still your choices are Honda and Toyota. But many of the people I have been off road with add generators and air compressors to their trucks for off road repairs. If we can do it it seems strange they have taken so long to offer one as an option on a dealer truck. | |
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The Prius is just the beginning. The technology is being tested and now it will be introduced in a crossover SUV. I definitely see a truck version within five years or less. RE: European lifestyle... Boaz.. when was the last time you were in Europe? Granted we do have a wonderful lifestyle here in America, but when I visited Italy, Spain, Switzerland, Holland, France, Monaco, the people seemed to have a very nice lifestyle driving their little cars around. So nice not to see those obnoxious trucks and SUVs. But those two stroke mopeds are REALLY annoying. |
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going to be a hybrid Dodge Durango? What with Pilot, Highlander, etc coming on-line in the next 18 months, that might not be a bad place to start. I realized later today that Bill Ford was referring to the hybrid Mariner when he said there would be two hybrid SUVs next year from the Ford company. Big whoop - two IDENTICAL SMALL SUVs, the Escape and Mariner. I wonder how many they would sell if they came up with a hybrid Explorer. |
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| Nice job on the article, Edmunds! Very comprehensive without getting into micro-detail. | |
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A great article. It covers everything that was discussed here and "up to the chore" board. =P A few comments though. "Additionally, this is the first application of Honda's VTEC Controlled Cylinder Idling System, which can close the intake and exhaust valves of up to three of the gas engine's four cylinders during deceleration. This reduces engine drag..." How can closing of intake and exhaust valves reduce engine drag? There will be even more pumping loss due to power loss needed to create vacuum in the cylinders. Shouldn't they be open? "A study done by NASA's research center in Langley, Va., indicates that one way that hybrid vehicles could be refined is to use a modified Miller-cycle engine (similar to what is used in diesel-powered vehicles) that would run on ethanol." 04 Prius is already using Miller cycle with gasoline. Miller implemented Atkinson concept with a timing modification to an Otto cycle engine. Dennis |
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