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| Well, there would need to be some kind of significant new revenue to fund the kind of improvements to transportation systems that daysailer is talking about. It would also take many years to build such systems (it just took five years to build a single, short LRT line in the Twin Cities, and it still isn't in operation). Cars that average 45+ mpg are available today. | |
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Sure that will work. Then people will have to charge more for the food we eat. The clothes we wear and many of the other freedoms that separate us from the lesser nations. "lesser in that we are the only superpower now". We as a nation were built on individuality and the freedom to not have to be in a class structure. Rich and poor people have access to as much of the same things as possible. Charge another $1.50 a gallon and the poor can be forced into tiny little box cars like the Japanese are. But the wealthy can drive Hummers all they want. Such a class structure is not acceptable. And who in here believes they will not simply use the extra tax money for a pork barrel projects? This reasoning is always the same, some people can afford or prefer to drive a vehicle that is bigger, smaller, sleeker, or considered more practical than what others prefer and someone almost always wants the government to come up with a way to convince everyone to drive the same kind of car. Well friends that is how we got SUVs in the first place. They got the government to pass CAFE with the intent that everyone would buy econo boxes. Didn't happen so now we need the government to tax us into econo boxes? For anyone wishing to stay in office for more than one term that seems like a bad idea. This however was way off topic. If you are looking for a hybrid, the answer right now is wait or get a Honda or Toyota, period. |
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to pass a new gas tax in California to be strictly for funding road works - the roads are a sorry mess - and it failed. Now they are talking about a bill to make hybrids legal in the HOV lane - another incentive. I think CO2 savings are important, which is half the point of the HOV lane, but I also think ol' Billy Ford just wants the federal government to foot the bill and make it easier for his company to profit on this new technology. Although I do think that somewhere under there is a person who is at least a little bit genuinely concerned about the environment. boaz: "Rich and poor people have access to as much of the same things as possible." You and I are going to have to disagree on ths one, bud. The rich and the poor have an immense chasm between them in terms of the access they have to goods and services in this country, and that abyss is widening rapidly. Are you aware just how rich the rich are in this country? Certainly a $0.50 gas tax isn't going to affect the balance very much. |
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| I have friends who live in the UK that pay around $5.50 per gallon. Their lifestyle has not suffered as they just drive more fuel efficient cars. Bottom line, we're too wasteful and there should be no reason in this country that gas is cheaper than water, plain and simple. Granted we won't be seeing $3.50 a gallon gas, but it would be nice. If everyone drove cars that got 40 MPG, we would not have to be dependent on middle east oil. Perhaps states should assist and tack on a gas guzzler tax when people register fuel inefficient cars. Now..back on topic. | |
| It's not surprising that Bill Ford & Co. want hybrid credits, our government subsidizes all kind of things now but what I can't figure out is Schwarzenegger endorsing carpool lanes for HEVs that get 45 MPG or better (i.e. not the big 2.5, only Japan for now) whats going on here ? Is the Ford Futura (whatever its name will be) hybrid supposed to get the required MPG or is there something else cooking or is this a real step toward the vision of a "hydrogen highway" ? | |
| Europe is doing fine? Strange last time I looked we had a higher standard of living than Europe. But they do have quite a few more diesels than we do and even have a smart car diesel that gets 80 mpg without being a hybrid. In fact I think California has a bigger economy than many European states. I hope no one here aspires to fall back to a European quality of life? That is depressing. | |
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Two guys were talking at a gas station, one with a full-size truck and the other with a large SUV. The price of gas on the pump was $9.65 And one driver was saying to the other, " I am going to quit driving if the price ever gets to $10 a gallon". I don't think gas price is going to be the motivating factor for most people to go to the Prius or other high mileage alternatives. |
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It isn't that we that have trucks wouldn't like better fuel mileage. My F-250 Power Stroke gets better fuel mileage than a Tundra or Titan and can haul twice as much. It is just that we love our trucks so much for all that we can do with them. Yes, my truck weighs a bunch and yes if a small car and I happen to cross bumpers I win, every time. And it isn't about accidents either because I doubt if there is any proof that trucks are in more accidents than small cars. It is about what they can do now and not losing any of that. If they come out with a Hybrid truck like the Dodge with the generator I can see truck owners going for that. But they won't if that have to give up as large a percentage of performance in Pulling and towing as hybrid car owners have to give up today. The problem is that until hybrids will do what ICE vehicles already do and as well as ICE cars do it why get a hybrid? But if the new hybrids do haul, tow and perform as well as the ICE vehicle they replace plus get better fuel mileage who will complain? Still till they get to that place you only have two choices, Honda and Toyota. Other wise look for something else.
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Replying to: boaz47 (Apr 12, 2004 1:58 pm) |
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| Dodge has been testing their hybrids with the Military for a year or two now. The concept truck comes with a Generator that can be used for workmen that need the electric power once on the Job site. But for now no one can get them except the government so still your choices are Honda and Toyota. But many of the people I have been off road with add generators and air compressors to their trucks for off road repairs. If we can do it it seems strange they have taken so long to offer one as an option on a dealer truck. | |
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