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| will you find the hydrogen production industry that will consume more energy than is borne by the hydrogen that it produces? Moreover, where will be the noisy, fossil fueled power plants that produce that energy? Or perhaps you forsee an expansion of nuclear generation, hardly a quiet enterprise either and not likely to win favor with the "greens". We seem to have gone full circle - there is NO free lunch! | |
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interview this morning with Bill Ford, he not only renewed his commitment to hybrids, but said that there will be two more hybrd Fords in the next year or two, including another SUV. The journalist on the NPR piece also went on to say that "by this time next year" there will be hybrid Accords AND Camrys. As well as GM models? And I read a separate piece last night saying Ford HEV is well and truly set to be available this summer. |
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| Other sources put the Camry hybrid as a 2006 model, so it's possible that it could appear early in 2005 (e.g. early debut of 2003 Corolla) but the Accord is more certain. | |
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daysaylor it sounds like we pretty much agree on this one, how weird is that !? In my mind it does little good to shift the pollution to a different spot, much better to solve the problem rather than put a band-aid on it although the proposed noise barriers that also act to generate solar electricity sounds like a good compromise. |
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| In my view, real solutions to transportation energy consumption and pollution will have more to do with changes in transportation systems and use patterns than in the efficiency of individual vehicles. | |
| I read the interview. Bill Ford also said he wishes the government would tax us another 50 cents a gallon on gas to make hybrids more viable. Then use that tax to give hybrid owners a rebate of up to $3000.00 to help offset that additional entry fee. If I remember my history we tossed some tea into the harbor for taxation that only helped some of the people. I,like Jefferson,would be willing to shed some blood to revolt against that kind of taxation. Because taxing people to "force" them to think correctly is as much despotism and anything we as a people have ever faced. Bill may have qualified his remarks by saying he knows such a tax has no legs in an election year but just the thought smacks of Communism to me. | |
| I actually think an additional gas tax of 1.50 is a great idea. I don't agree with Ford with respect to giving Hybrid buyers a rebate. I do think that we need 3.50/gallon gas to knock some sense into idiots that buy 6000 pounds of iron to commute to work in. What a waste!!! | |
| Well, there would need to be some kind of significant new revenue to fund the kind of improvements to transportation systems that daysailer is talking about. It would also take many years to build such systems (it just took five years to build a single, short LRT line in the Twin Cities, and it still isn't in operation). Cars that average 45+ mpg are available today. | |
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Sure that will work. Then people will have to charge more for the food we eat. The clothes we wear and many of the other freedoms that separate us from the lesser nations. "lesser in that we are the only superpower now". We as a nation were built on individuality and the freedom to not have to be in a class structure. Rich and poor people have access to as much of the same things as possible. Charge another $1.50 a gallon and the poor can be forced into tiny little box cars like the Japanese are. But the wealthy can drive Hummers all they want. Such a class structure is not acceptable. And who in here believes they will not simply use the extra tax money for a pork barrel projects? This reasoning is always the same, some people can afford or prefer to drive a vehicle that is bigger, smaller, sleeker, or considered more practical than what others prefer and someone almost always wants the government to come up with a way to convince everyone to drive the same kind of car. Well friends that is how we got SUVs in the first place. They got the government to pass CAFE with the intent that everyone would buy econo boxes. Didn't happen so now we need the government to tax us into econo boxes? For anyone wishing to stay in office for more than one term that seems like a bad idea. This however was way off topic. If you are looking for a hybrid, the answer right now is wait or get a Honda or Toyota, period. |
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to pass a new gas tax in California to be strictly for funding road works - the roads are a sorry mess - and it failed. Now they are talking about a bill to make hybrids legal in the HOV lane - another incentive. I think CO2 savings are important, which is half the point of the HOV lane, but I also think ol' Billy Ford just wants the federal government to foot the bill and make it easier for his company to profit on this new technology. Although I do think that somewhere under there is a person who is at least a little bit genuinely concerned about the environment. boaz: "Rich and poor people have access to as much of the same things as possible." You and I are going to have to disagree on ths one, bud. The rich and the poor have an immense chasm between them in terms of the access they have to goods and services in this country, and that abyss is widening rapidly. Are you aware just how rich the rich are in this country? Certainly a $0.50 gas tax isn't going to affect the balance very much. |
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