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#240 of 453 by john1701a Apr 05, 2004 (11:16 am)
> Maybe you can give us some more detail..   I already did (see: non-broken-in, cold-weather-only, winter-formula-gas).   No need to repeat the same post again.   Goodbye.   JOHN
#241 of 453 by xcel Apr 05, 2004 (11:21 am)
Hi John1701a:   ___Sounds like both automobiles are ~ in the same boat to me as well   ___Good Luck   ___Wayne R. Gerdes
#242 of 453 John--you were right. by backy Apr 05, 2004 (3:21 pm)
There is no hope.
#243 of 453 not impressed with 04 prius mileage by kpoeppel2 Apr 05, 2004 (5:30 pm)
45 mpg when it was claimed to get at least 52 mpg? That's terrible. You could get a honda civic coupe hx for $6000 less that gets around 40 mpg. Yes you'd give up some space, but you'd get a car that is almost as fuel efficient for far less money.   If the 04 prius actually got between 52 and 60 mpg like the EPA claimed, i'd be impressed. When the 04 prius was first announced, I was impressed. I even tried to defend it as being economical in comparison to certain vehicles. But when real world mpg isn't much better than some conventional vehicles, i'm quite dissapointed. Getting an extra 5 mpg for $6000 extra up front is a sham.   If you're an environmentalist, save the $6000 and put it toward a more efficient furnace in your home, more insulation, or solar cells.   kpoeppel
#244 of 453 RX400h/Highlander Hybrid by carguy1234 Apr 05, 2004 (5:35 pm)
In the hybrid article in the May issue of Motor Trend, they quote: "expect low seven second times to 60 MPG" with the AWD versions, which have an additional electric motor for the rear wheels.   And over 600 miles cruising range.
#245 of 453 Typo, or wishful thinking? by backy Apr 05, 2004 (6:10 pm)
"expect low seven second times to 60 MPG"   As for the Civic HX, if a compact coupe meets your needs, you can't do much better than a Civic HX. But the Prius is quite a bit roomier and has a lot more versatility than the Civic coupe. It would be more fair to compare the HX coupe to the HCH, in which case I agree it's hard to justify the extra expense of the HCH.   FWIW, I've seen real-world fuel economy reports from Prius owners in the upper 40s to low 50s.
#246 of 453 low 7's by carguy1234 Apr 05, 2004 (6:13 pm)
Could be real. Toyota keeps claiming "sub 8", but is hedging based on the info I can find. Low 7's is not unreasonable.
#247 of 453 It's not the sevens part that's the typo... by backy Apr 05, 2004 (6:15 pm)
If a Prius struggles to reach 60 MPG, I doubt a Lexus RX400h could reach it.
#248 of 453 oh, I see by carguy1234 Apr 05, 2004 (6:18 pm)
That should have read MPH, as in low 7's 0-60. Sorry for the confusion.   MPG should be low 30's.
#249 of 453 More hybrid choices coming by backy Apr 07, 2004 (7:55 am)
Mercury Mariner SUV, also a midsized Ford hybrid sedan by 2007: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=568&e=3&a- mp;a- mp;u=/nm/autos_hybrids_dc

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