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| It's easy to lob shots from the sidelines, more difficult to engage directly. Posting messages re "there is no benefit" is of no benefit. Just today there have been several posts about different hybrid choices. There is hope. I think Yoda said something about failure, and trying, that seems appropriate but I can't think of the exact quote. | |
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Hi Nippononly: ___I have never heard that the Mazda 3 2.3 L was PZEV either? I looked on Mazda’s site and it isn’t spec’ed that way from what I read … With an 8/10 on the EPA’s Green Vehicle Guide, the 2.3 L in one is meeting ULEV-II specs but it is not an SULEV so it cannot be a PZEV. Some versions of the 2.0 might be in California but I doubt it w/ an 8/10 outside of that area using higher sulfur fuels? The 2.3 in particular is one very powerful SVT’ized 2.3 and it supposedly handles like a sled on rails  http://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/E-MAZDA-Mazda3-04.htm ___I still love the Mazda interiors the best of all however  The 2.0 is going into the Ford in 05 as its PZEV so you can expect a drop in performance (144 to 136 HP) but with an increase in fuel economy … ___Hi John1701a and welcome back. I noticed something peculiar the other day. Maybe you can give us some more detail since you mentioned you were not going to come around again? While you are looking it over, you may want to take notice of the various ranges driven as well … http://john1701a.com/prius/prius-data09.htm = 45.8 mpg over 9,887 miles from 10/23/03 - 03/31/04. http://www.greenhybrid.com/compare/mileage/details.php?cid=164 = 42.4 mpg over 11,363 miles from 09/15/03 - 03/29/04. ___Good Luck ___Wayne R. Gerdes |
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> Maybe you can give us some more detail.. I already did (see: non-broken-in, cold-weather-only, winter-formula-gas). No need to repeat the same post again. Goodbye. JOHN |
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Hi John1701a: ___Sounds like both automobiles are ~ in the same boat to me as well ___Good Luck ___Wayne R. Gerdes |
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45 mpg when it was claimed to get at least 52 mpg? That's terrible. You could get a honda civic coupe hx for $6000 less that gets around 40 mpg. Yes you'd give up some space, but you'd get a car that is almost as fuel efficient for far less money. If the 04 prius actually got between 52 and 60 mpg like the EPA claimed, i'd be impressed. When the 04 prius was first announced, I was impressed. I even tried to defend it as being economical in comparison to certain vehicles. But when real world mpg isn't much better than some conventional vehicles, i'm quite dissapointed. Getting an extra 5 mpg for $6000 extra up front is a sham. If you're an environmentalist, save the $6000 and put it toward a more efficient furnace in your home, more insulation, or solar cells. kpoeppel |
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In the hybrid article in the May issue of Motor Trend, they quote: "expect low seven second times to 60 MPG" with the AWD versions, which have an additional electric motor for the rear wheels. And over 600 miles cruising range. |
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"expect low seven second times to 60 MPG"  As for the Civic HX, if a compact coupe meets your needs, you can't do much better than a Civic HX. But the Prius is quite a bit roomier and has a lot more versatility than the Civic coupe. It would be more fair to compare the HX coupe to the HCH, in which case I agree it's hard to justify the extra expense of the HCH. FWIW, I've seen real-world fuel economy reports from Prius owners in the upper 40s to low 50s. |
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| Could be real. Toyota keeps claiming "sub 8", but is hedging based on the info I can find. Low 7's is not unreasonable. | |
| If a Prius struggles to reach 60 MPG, I doubt a Lexus RX400h could reach it. | |
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