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Mazda MAZDA6, Mazda 929, Mazda Millenia, Sedan
#72 of 160 Mazda needs more models:
Mar 28, 2004 (7:24 pm)
They are working on that now. Another issue if Mazda is to grow their fleet of cars most Mazda dealers are pretty small right? Will they have enough lot room at dealers to sell like an SUV over 30K or a mid-size SUV or even a coupe version of the Mazda 6?
Yeah I think Ford-Mazda dealers would be good. Ford doesn't cater to Mazda's demographic and Ford doesn't say your grandfathers car either.
Mazda is now being run by the Japanese mainly now. I think Mazda Corp knows what it has to do be successful in the US. Mazda kinda lost their way in the mid 90's now they are trying to ressurect the Mazda brand. I think they are doing a good job so far. Keep in mind since 1998 Mazda sales have been up every year from the previous year with the exception of 2002. The slow launch of the 6 they bobbled that. I think that taught them a lesson though. Mazda may not be gaining market share in ths US like Nissan but Mazda is definately heading in upward direction.
Also I agree if Mazda makes another 929 or Millenia type car it should be made in Japan. Flat Rock is already making the 6 and Mustang. The only Mazda car that sells well thats made in Japan is the 3. THe MPV isn't the segament buster that the Caravan, Oddy, or Sienna are. THe Rx-8 doesn't sell like really big either. Mazda's main cars are the 6 and 3 to sell. Thats about it and maybe the Tribute a liitle bit too.
Mar 28, 2004 (8:47 pm)
"The Mazda-Ford relationship can be correctly descibed as a joint venture relationship."
Not! While ford does not own Mazda completely, it has controlling ownership. That means they call the shots. There's no joint venture about it at all. Obviously you don't know what a joint business venture is.
"It is laughable to think that Ford can use the mazda6 platform to launch products larger than the current mazda6 but will deny Mazda the owner and designer of the platform from doing the same."
With controlling ownership, they sure can.
#74 of 160 who cares
Mar 28, 2004 (10:18 pm)
who cares what is the dealer format, mazda/lincoln, ford/mazda if anyone want a mazda they will go any were to get one.
Mazda new SUV a FX35 Competitor yeah right try Honda Pilot, Mitsubishi Endeavor and Nissan Murano.
MPV is to small and under power for Americans families.(what happened to the awd 4dr mpv back in the day)
6coupe, a 3coupe would be better, midsize coupe are hard sales
Rx-8 under power and odd styling, were is mazdaspeed on this one.
mazda9 a long (more 190 inch in length) near Luxury with no body roll, 6 like handing and more or the same power as a 265hp maxima, 260hp g35, 225hp es, or 270hp TL yeah right .
history tends to repeat it self(929,Millenia )
mazda future is in small to midsize cars, minivans and suvs, the MX-5 Miata, RX-8, 6 , and 3 are all successful and a start for mazda to move in the right direction and in the future RX-7, crossover suv, mx-5 coupe, MX-Flexa, and MX-Micro Sport is the way to go for mazda IMO.
Mar 29, 2004 (9:13 am)
to follow up on your comments...Ford also makes the decision who is President and Chairman of the company.
Mar 29, 2004 (10:02 am)
Thanks, I didn't know about that. I would think it would be very significant WRT model offerings.
Mar 29, 2004 (12:01 pm)
After I purchased my 6, the dealer had a new owner's dinner. At the dinner, they guy at the dealer mentioned Mazda making a 9. I already mentioned this on the Millenia board. That is what I was told right from one of the representatives. I'm not saying it's true, but it's something to think about.
Mar 30, 2004 (2:30 am)
Mazda could concievably, EVENTUALLY put out a 9, but first they need to straighten out their current line. But they'll NEED a "9" eventually, because they need something other than the RX8 to slot above the 6...Toyota and Nissan each have a car to move up from from their midsizers (Camry-Avalon, Altima-Maxima) and if Mazda wants to play on the same field, they need something like that too.
That being said, forst they need to square away current models. They need a "sportier" SUV than the current Tribute (though it's OK for now), and what are they doing selling plain-jane B-Series trucks? Lower the suspensions, tweak the steering drop in a new engine, and compete with Dodge SRT and Chevy SS trucks in the "sport truck" arena...that would be PERFECT for Mazda, and would fit well with the brand identity they're trying to establish, and start giving them the customer base and then dealer base they need to expand and then support a new Mazda 9 and various other models (maybe a WRX/Evo competitor as well?)
That would definitely be a start.
#79 of 160 Ford-Mazda who callls the shots?
Mar 30, 2004 (9:50 am)
Ok, wait a second Ford is the same company ok that thought in the mid 90's they could make Mazda into Toyota. Then I guess Ford saw Mazda sales dipping and then woops we are not making any money so I think Ford let Mazda make their own decesions after 1997. I think Mazda has more leeway with Ford than Chrysler has with Mercedes. Mercedes is making the same mistakes with Chrysler now that Ford did in the mid 90's with Mazda.
As far as Mazda using the platform for the 6 for other Mazda vehicles Mazda will use a streched 3 platfrom from what I have read on this board for a next generation Tribute. Building other Mazda vehicles on on the 6 platform is at a least a few years away from what I see. A few years away means probably means the next generation 6 platform when Mazda can possibly build the SUV over 30K that they want to build or build a Mazda 9 on a stretched 6 platform. Its a little early to be talking about Mazda building vehicles off the 6 platform.
Mar 30, 2004 (11:32 am)
"Its a little early to be talking about Mazda building vehicles off the 6 platform."
It's already happening, you have the Ford Futura (Four-hundred), then the Lincoln Aviator will debut using the same platform, then the Lincoln Zephyr right after.
Mar 30, 2004 (11:56 am)
mazda already has a green light on a mazda6 based SUV that is larger than the Tribute but smaller than an Explorer. It will be priced in the $30-40K range.
ANT14...The zypher is going to be at the NY auto show in a couple weeks. I can't wait to see it. will you be there?? At a Lincoln meeting with D.Hazel he said there was going to be a surprise that will be in the showrooms in short order. Looks like the Zypher is it...he also said it will ariive before the Futura...but I have heard these promises before. haha