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#101 of 160 by nvbanker Apr 22, 2004 (4:19 pm)
Geeze, I hope not. I just drove a new RX-8, and didn't like the feel of the Rotary for in town driving...... I likely wouldn't buy one unless they could really change the driving dynamics of the engine/transmission.
#102 of 160 by masc Apr 22, 2004 (5:08 pm)
ANT14, i DID say mid-size engine... why would they make another model, more expensive than the 6 but has an engine that is only several ten horses more power? The MAzda series would not make sense if only a 3.5L is going to be put in a 9. The 3 is a compact - 2.0L & 2.3L engines (small engines). The 6 has a 2.3L (base) and a 3.0L mid-size engine. So why make ANOTHER mid-size car for the 3.5L (supposedly put into a 9) as this mid-size engine would not provide adequate power for a larger sedan. This "9" would not be able to sell at all, the gap between the 6 and the supposed 9 would be way too close.   Carguy58, i know Mazda makes finishing touches on the Duratec 30, which is why it makes 220hp (instead of 200) in the 6. But that is not the point. Mazda is only able to use a mid-size engine in North America because it is "borrowing" from Ford but in other parts of the world, Ford is not able to supply Mazda with the 3.0L V6 and Mazda does not haf its own. Which is why Mazda does not haf any V6's available for their Mazda 6's in any other parts of the world except in N. America, nevertheless, haf an even larger engine to use for the supposed 9. AND what if Mazda DID haf preivous V6's, they had the size of a 4-cylinder and did not provide power equal to modern V6's. For Mazda to even start thinking about a 9, they would first haf to have a 3.0L available in their 6's thoughout the world, which is what they are trying to do.   Audia8q, for your comment: "Ford owns controlling interest in mazda, worldwide...not just north america." So what, the resources Ford has worldwide is measly, compared to the resourses they haf in NOrth America. This is why Ford is NOT able to supply MAzda 6's worldwide with their Duratec 30 (which Mazda still needs to refine it in their own plants).   Please, don't pick at word usage or lack of details as it does take a long time to respond and i dont like tying... just read the points of the post and not nit-pick. Replies to this message: rp64 (Apr 23, 2004 4:34 am) bronstahd (Jun 20, 2007 11:36 pm)
#103 of 160 by ANT14 Apr 22, 2004 (6:44 pm)
"This "9" would not be able to sell at all, the gap between the 6 and the supposed 9 would be way too close."   The Duratec35 can be tailored to produce anywhere from 240HP to even 300HP if need be. Considering the Mazda6 makes 220HP with it's 3.0L, the "9" with a Duratec35 can decently produce 250-260HP nicely.   As example, let's take a look at other vehicles lines. Altima 250HP/Maxima 265HP, Camry 210HP/Avalon 220HP. Therefore having a Mazda6 with 220, and a Mazda9 with 250-260 would be ballpark with the competition.   World markets are totally different from ours. The Mazda6 is perfectly fine with a 2.3L standard in other countries, BUT in the U.S., consumer's demand more power, hence the 3.0L.   I wouldn't doubt it if once Ford switches to mass producing the 3.5L and implement it in vehicles currently using the 3.0L, that they might free-up some production and allow the 3.0L to be used as the standard engine around the world, for this Mazda9. In other words, numerous other countries receive OUR base engine, as their standard offering.   But overall, I think the thing to considering is the platform, and where this vehicle will stem from. There's 2 possibilities being tossed around, the current 500/Montego/Freeestyle platform, or an enlarged Mazda6 platform. Overall, the vehicle will NOT be a standard sedan that we currently know. It's sort of a cross-over type sedan. Think Lincoln Navicross type of concept, where it's a sedan, but can be a cross-over in it's arrangement.
#104 of 160 Duratec 30 and Mazda by nedc2 Apr 22, 2004 (7:59 pm)
Mazda do offer the Tribute in Europe with the 3.0 l Duratec, it's not in the 6 because with gas prices of $4 to $5 per gallon there's not much demand. The base engine on the Euro version of the Jaguar XJ is 3.0 l V6, and the only Ford in Europe other than the Maverick/Escape that offers the 3.0 l is the Mondeo ST220, a highe priced perormance version of that car. You can get almost anything with a diesel though.
#105 of 160 Re: [masc #102] by rp64 Apr 23, 2004 (4:34 am)
Replying to: masc (Apr 22, 2004 5:08 pm) Your response is incorrect. Mazda could use the Duratec anywhere in the world if they wanted to. They ship the engine to Japan to drop into the MPV. They don't since the rest of the world pay higher gas prices, and have been conditioned to use smaller engines. Don't say Mazda borrows from Ford. Mazda is part of the Ford family, period. This is why new Ford models are based on Mazdas and Volvos. This is why the Duratec is used in Mazdas and why the Ford 2.5 V6 is going to be dropped into a Land Rover.
#106 of 160 masc by audia8q Apr 23, 2004 (5:14 am)
I won't nit pick as long as you get your rantings correct.
#107 of 160 by rock44x Apr 23, 2004 (7:25 pm)
"The Duratec35 can be tailored to produce anywhere from 240HP to even 300HP if need be." thats a joke ford has v8 engines that make that must power doubt if the Duratec35 will make more that 240hp max.   and also the mazda9 was at the NY auto show it was called the Lincoln Zephyr.
#108 of 160 by ANT14 Apr 23, 2004 (7:35 pm)
But the V8's make much torque, and fit into certain platforms.   The Duratec35 will replace, what (or displace) where the current 4.6L is at. Meaning, the 4.6L in the Explorer now making 239HP and 282TQ, will be redesigned with 3 valve techonology next year for it's mid-generation refreshning. (What's going in the new Mustang). That engine will make around 280-290HP in the next Explorer, this will leave a huge gap between it, and the 4.0L SOHV V6 210HP/245TQ.   That engine will be replaced by this new Duratec 35, and make much more power overall, and pretty much ALMOST match what the current V8 makes.
#109 of 160 by rock44x Apr 23, 2004 (9:45 pm)
"That engine will make around 280-290HP in the next Explorer"   i have to see that to believe it. the new f150s 4.6 231 hp and 5.4L pushing 300hp but these are trucks, in the new 05 Five Hundred and Freestyle both have 3L engine pushing out 200hp, the only company that got a 3.5 pushing out around 280-290HP is nissan. ford is not in any hp war so why the huge power jump.   05 Mustang base will come with a 4.0L V6 pushing out 202 hp and 235 lb-ft of torque while 05 Mustang GT will have a 4.6-liter V8 300 hp and 315 pound-feet of torque.   if ford go form a 4.0 engine to a 3.5 engine in the next Explorer that would make no sense since all the mid sized suvs have 4.0L (4Runner, 05 Pathfinder)   and last if there is a mazde9 it is most likely be a redress ford Five Hundred with awd and more power 3L or 3.5L with 240hp, mazda is not in any hp war too.
#110 of 160 by ANT14 Apr 24, 2004 (7:28 am)
" the only company that got a 3.5 pushing out around 280-290HP"   The engine I was referring to was the 4.6L, although the 3.5L could make that type of power, it is the torque that's important for those applications.   The 4.0L Cologne Engine won't be around for long, so the Mustang will also have the 3.5L phased in a few years as well. This is why Ford wasn't sure if to place the Duratec30, or the 4.0L as the Mustang's base engine offering, and took awhile for them to decide upon that. The 4.0L will give them the torque needed, but the 3.5L will have overall refinement and efficiency which will be needed in the next few years.

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