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Another Video... by merc1
Aug 04, 2005 (1:55 am)
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The Monster Maybach
 
For those who missed the CLS55 AMG video in the other thread:
 
CLS55 AMG
 
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E losing sales to CLS? - MB doesn't care one lick... by ikramerica
Aug 04, 2005 (5:52 am)
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After visiting the E-class factory in Sindelfingen, I can assure you that Daimler Chrysler doesn't care that some E-Class sales have gone to the CLS. All they care about is that total sales of the "E-Klasse" have increased, and with the CLS, they have.
 
I say this because the CLS is an E. It is made on the same assembly line, in the same building, at the same time. It is the only place in the world that makes these models, and it is cranking about 2000 samples a day of various E-Klasse right now.
 
They consider the CLS truly the E coupe model, and call it so in the factory. They build the E sedan, E wagon, and E coupe (CLS) all in the same building on the same two lines. They look to cost roughly the same to make, and share a lot of mechanicals. Interior fittings and glass/shells are installed in the same way by the same people and same robots, even though they are obviously unique among the models. There will be 2 sedans, then a CLS, then 3 more sedans, than 2 CLSs coming down one line. Some will be US, occasionally you'll get a right drive, each one is unique anyway. On the parallel line, there will be 3 sedans, then 2 wagons, then 2 sedans, etc. If CLS sales increase but E sales stay steady or decline, all it does to the factory is change the ratio and the "patternless pattern" on the line, and if overall numbers increase, it keeps the line open a few more days a year!
 
And since the CLS costs more at the dealer than an E in the US and Europe, MB would be happy to "lose" "E class" sales to the CLS. Same factory, same workers, similar parts, more money from the consumer. With so many company cars, taxis, limos etc. coming off the E class line, the luxury CLS is a high margin product that they are thrilled to build. And that's without even selling the more "affordable" CLS350 here in the US.
 
Not a bad problem to have!
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Re: E losing sales to CLS? - MB doesn't care one lick... [ikramerica] by merc1
Aug 04, 2005 (10:21 pm)
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Replying to: ikramerica (Aug 04, 2005 5:52 am)

Sounds very interesting, about visiting the factory. Did you hear anything about upcoming changes to the E and/or CLS? I know they'll both get the new V8 from the 2007 S500 for the 2007 model year.
 
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Re: E losing sales to CLS? - MB doesn't care one lick... [merc1] by ikramerica
Aug 06, 2005 (3:19 pm)
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Replying to: merc1 (Aug 04, 2005 10:21 pm)

Unfortunately, a visit to the factory does not equal inside information. In fact, we weren't even allowed to take pictures.
 
And since the tour was not given by a US sales rep, he wouldn't know the specifics of what the US gets. In Europe, the E can be had with so many engines, it would be difficult for him to tell me which exact new engine comes into which model in which market when.
 
For example, you can get E180, E200, E200K, E220 CDI, E230, E230K, E270 CDI, E280, E320 CDI, E350, E500 and E55 AMG. I may have missed some. I think the CLS is more limited though, to only CLS280, CLS350, CLS500, CLS320 CDI, CLS55 AMG, but there may be another model in there somewhere.
 
And unfortunately, we didn't get to see the factory where they build the engines. It's a different building.
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Re: E losing sales to CLS? - MB doesn't care one lick... [ikramerica] by merc1
Aug 07, 2005 (6:00 am)
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Replying to: ikramerica (Aug 06, 2005 3:19 pm)

I'm all for choice, but that is about 2 too many E-Class models, imo. Some of those must be exclusive to German buyers because I've never seen some of those on like the British or Canadian websites. Yep you forgot the CLS420 CDI.
 
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#227 of 441
Too funny.... by merc1
Aug 12, 2005 (1:43 am)
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Mercedes' product testing has now gotten out of hand...:
 

 

 

You can't get away from me you little roadster!
 

I'll get you yet!
 

You show off, you know I'm too big and heavy to do that!
 

Here is looking at you kid.
 
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#228 of 441
Re: E losing sales to CLS? - MB doesn't care one lick... [merc1] by ikramerica
Aug 12, 2005 (7:35 am)
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Replying to: merc1 (Aug 07, 2005 6:00 am)

Yeah, I think a couple of those E class engine options are only for fleet and business sales, as I saw them on Taxis. And also, they might have been stretched over a couple years, so one was offered 2 years ago, but now another is offered now. With that many, how can you keep up?
 
For the C class, there were also C160s and C140s. Yikes, a C140 would be underpowered, considering it isn't a light car...
 
CLS 420CDI. That should be a fast car! Any reviews anywhere for it? I'd love to read one, but finding reviews for cars on the net can be a nightmare.
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ML63 AMG Unveiled! by merc1
Aug 17, 2005 (4:02 am)
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ML63 AMG
 
Mercedes-Benz's 510hp rival to the Porsche Cayenne Turbo has arrived!
 
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#230 of 441
Interesting MB Price Card by merc1
Aug 18, 2005 (1:49 am)
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All 2006 Models
 
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