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#185 of 441 Re: Jaguar top 5? Pointless survey... [ikramerica] by gagrice May 21, 2005 (6:49 am)
Replying to: ikramerica (May 20, 2005 8:30 am) I was given a brand new Mazda6 as a loaner yesterday   I was given a Hyundai as a loaner while they serviced my Passat TDI (poorman's MB) I was so happy to get back into the Passat. Fit and finish to performance were all well below the VW. Going to Qualcom stadium to test the new MB M Class cars. Let you know what I think. I am waiting for the R class with CDI to make it here then back to owning a MB. I agree on the way they do these worthless surveys. CR rates the Prius "Most Reliable". at least 13 people and probably many more have been stranded by faulty software glitch. Hard to accept that kind of survey as objective.
#186 of 441 The 3 stages of success..... by scott1256 May 21, 2005 (7:26 am)
1) Praise. 2) Ponder and pout. 3) Pounce.   It is human nature to cheer the outsider taking over a market.   It is human nature to observe success and resent it.   It is human nature to pounce and overthrow a successful entity when they weaken.   Cadillac was cheered as they displaced Packard in the 40s and 50s. In the late 1970s and 1980s Mercedes displaced a floundering Cadillac and many of us cheered (I know I did).   Packard didn't survive stage 3.   Cadillac fought back strongly after an initial stage 3 retreat and has increased sales by over 50% in a short time.   Mercedes will solve their problems in 2-3 years - BUT - it may take 5-7 years to change public perception and stop the press sniping.
#187 of 441 Re: Merc1 - thanks for the summary. [merc1] by sgtmjr May 23, 2005 (1:43 pm)
Replying to: merc1 (May 20, 2005 10:41 pm) Thanks again merc1. You are apparently quite the AMG guru. The S550 you mention by the way would seem to have considerable appeal given the likely $$ delta for the AMG variant. Replies to this message: merc1 (May 24, 2005 1:27 am)
#188 of 441 Re: Merc1 - thanks for the summary. [sgtmjr] by merc1 May 24, 2005 (1:27 am)
Replying to: sgtmjr (May 23, 2005 1:43 pm) Thanks, but I'm no AMG Guru. Its just that the info about the new V8s and the new S-Class are talked about so much on other sites to the point of it being all but confirmed at this point. Mercedes will have a lot to display at the Frankfurt autoshow this year it seems.   M
#189 of 441 More Mercedes News by merc1 May 24, 2005 (1:32 am)
There are lot of upcoming variations of the CLK, C and E-Class coming in a few months. Not all of this translates to U.S. market cars, but the most intersting E-Class variant is the new E320 CDI with the new V6. For the first time Mercedes will be able to offer a 4Matic diesel...the E320 CDI 4Matic. This model will definitely make it to the U.S. There is also a new 314hp 4.0L V8 diesel too in the E420 CDI. I look for the new V6 to wind up in the U.S. under the hoods of the new M-Class, R-Class, and of course the E-Class (replacing the current I6). This new diesel V8 I can see in the R-Class, S-Class and whatever replaces the G-Class. By the time the 2008 model year rolls around and a new C-Class is upon us I can see C320 CDI also since there is one in Europe now.   Lots of info about the facelifted CLK, C-Class engines, and new diesels Here.   At the IAA this year in Frankfurt it is also rumored that Mercedes will show a lightweight version of the SL. Think about a SL55 AMG that is about 500-1000lbs lighter. Remember this is car that can get to 60 mph in 4.5 seconds in its current (very heavy) guise. Of course the new S-Class will make its debut. There might even be an updated E-Class there too.   M
#190 of 441 SL = "sport light" by ikramerica May 25, 2005 (9:18 pm)
so it's about time brought the "light" back, huh?   even the "sport light compact" SLK is a bit heavier than it might be. Replies to this message: merc1 (May 25, 2005 9:47 pm)
#191 of 441 SL = "sport light" by merc1 May 25, 2005 (9:47 pm)
Replying to: ikramerica (May 25, 2005 9:18 pm) Good point. Don't you just love the logic behind SL, SLK, SLR, CL and CLK?   SL = Sport Light SLK = Sport Light Short CLK = Coupe Light Short CL = Coupe Light SLR = Sport Light Racing   M
#192 of 441 is it compact or short? by ikramerica May 26, 2005 (8:39 am)
both K words, but I always thought it was compact.   BTW - What did the S in the original "S" class stand for. i know what the E and the L and the D meant, but not the S.
#193 of 441 CL - just a name by ikramerica May 26, 2005 (8:41 am)
Also, don't think CL means anything, since it came around after the naming change, and there is no way that car is "light." Old big coupe didn't have an L in it, nor did the E class coupe for that matter. Just like the ML doesn't mean anything, I would imagine.
#194 of 441 ikramerica by merc1 May 26, 2005 (8:22 pm)
I think S always stood for "Super" Like in the old SSK models. It stood for Super Sport. Actually none of these cars are "light" so CL is just as relevant as CLK to me. I'm betting ML means something light, but not sure what. Light for a "truck" that is. What did E stand for? Executive? C stood for "Compact" right?   M

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