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#182 of 441
Edmunds catty remarks in News, not reviews by ikramerica
May 20, 2005 (8:56 pm)
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Three of the latest news items at inside line.
 
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=105713
 
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=105638
 
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=105626
 
Read all three "what this means" endings and you'll see what I'm talking about. Just petty comments that don't say anything about the article, or maybe the writer's attempt at being witty? It might even seem as if they are being "encouraging" but then again, implying that MB recalls are somehow the norm for them but not for others is sort of lame. I mean, what does an endurance record have to do with recall notices. Every maker has recalls, even Lexus:
 
http://www.recall-warnings.com/auto-category-V.LEXUS.html
 
Of course, in the news item a few days earlier, when MB was talking about trying to get rid of defects, edmunds says: "Mercedes is finally getting back to basics, but the damage is done. Restoring the reputation of the three-pointed star will be a long haul."
 
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=105578
 
Well, it will be impossible if Edmunds actively tries to thwart it.
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Re: Edmunds catty remarks in News, not reviews [ikramerica] by merc1
May 20, 2005 (10:36 pm)
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Replying to: ikramerica (May 20, 2005 8:56 pm)

Exactly because statements like this: " Funny how the 1970 Mercedes can manage a million miles but the new ones have to be recalled within days" are like totally ridiculous and nothing more than hype. Like you pointed out Toyota just had a recall of massive proportions as did the whole industry last year.
 
This is unfortunately the burden Mercedes has to bear because they were seen as the best for so long and I think there is a large group of people that love to see an icon go down in flames. Considering as many times as Mercedes' cars have put cars from other companies to shame there are lot of people that are just chomping at the bit to see Mercedes finished. Ain't gonna happen folks.
 
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#184 of 441
Re: Merc1 - thanks for the summary. [sgtmjr] by merc1
May 20, 2005 (10:41 pm)
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Replying to: sgtmjr (May 20, 2005 2:13 pm)

Interested in the AMG version of the new S class. Any insight?
 
There will be two as there is now. The S65's V12 is rumored to carry over, but with more hp, 630hp to be exact. The S55 will be replaced by the S63, running a new DOHC, 32V, Direct-Injection 6.3L V8 with anywhere from 500-600hp depending on who you believe. These probably won't be shown for at least a another year after the base S-Class models are shown this fall.
 
The "regular" S should come in three flavors, S350 (268hp), S450 (325-350hp) and the S550 (380-414hp). We should know sometime in August what it will look like when Mercedes issues that all important first official photo and then of course it will debut at the IAA in Sept.
 
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#185 of 441
Re: Jaguar top 5? Pointless survey... [ikramerica] by gagrice
May 21, 2005 (6:49 am)
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Replying to: ikramerica (May 20, 2005 8:30 am)

I was given a brand new Mazda6 as a loaner yesterday
 
I was given a Hyundai as a loaner while they serviced my Passat TDI (poorman's MB) I was so happy to get back into the Passat. Fit and finish to performance were all well below the VW. Going to Qualcom stadium to test the new MB M Class cars. Let you know what I think. I am waiting for the R class with CDI to make it here then back to owning a MB. I agree on the way they do these worthless surveys. CR rates the Prius "Most Reliable". at least 13 people and probably many more have been stranded by faulty software glitch. Hard to accept that kind of survey as objective.
#186 of 441
The 3 stages of success..... by scott1256
May 21, 2005 (7:26 am)
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1) Praise.
2) Ponder and pout.
3) Pounce.
 
It is human nature to cheer the outsider taking over a market.
 
It is human nature to observe success and resent it.
 
It is human nature to pounce and overthrow a successful entity when they weaken.
 
Cadillac was cheered as they displaced Packard in the 40s and 50s. In the late 1970s and 1980s Mercedes displaced a floundering Cadillac and many of us cheered (I know I did).
 
Packard didn't survive stage 3.
 
Cadillac fought back strongly after an initial stage 3 retreat and has increased sales by over 50% in a short time.
 
Mercedes will solve their problems in 2-3 years - BUT - it may take 5-7 years to change public perception and stop the press sniping.
#187 of 441
Re: Merc1 - thanks for the summary. [merc1] by sgtmjr
May 23, 2005 (1:43 pm)
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Replying to: merc1 (May 20, 2005 10:41 pm)

Thanks again merc1. You are apparently quite the AMG guru. The S550 you mention by the way would seem to have considerable appeal given the likely $$ delta for the AMG variant.
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Re: Merc1 - thanks for the summary. [sgtmjr] by merc1
May 24, 2005 (1:27 am)
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Replying to: sgtmjr (May 23, 2005 1:43 pm)

Thanks, but I'm no AMG Guru. Its just that the info about the new V8s and the new S-Class are talked about so much on other sites to the point of it being all but confirmed at this point. Mercedes will have a lot to display at the Frankfurt autoshow this year it seems.
 
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#189 of 441
More Mercedes News by merc1
May 24, 2005 (1:32 am)
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There are lot of upcoming variations of the CLK, C and E-Class coming in a few months. Not all of this translates to U.S. market cars, but the most intersting E-Class variant is the new E320 CDI with the new V6. For the first time Mercedes will be able to offer a 4Matic diesel...the E320 CDI 4Matic. This model will definitely make it to the U.S. There is also a new 314hp 4.0L V8 diesel too in the E420 CDI. I look for the new V6 to wind up in the U.S. under the hoods of the new M-Class, R-Class, and of course the E-Class (replacing the current I6). This new diesel V8 I can see in the R-Class, S-Class and whatever replaces the G-Class. By the time the 2008 model year rolls around and a new C-Class is upon us I can see C320 CDI also since there is one in Europe now.
 
Lots of info about the facelifted CLK, C-Class engines, and new diesels Here.
 
At the IAA this year in Frankfurt it is also rumored that Mercedes will show a lightweight version of the SL. Think about a SL55 AMG that is about 500-1000lbs lighter. Remember this is car that can get to 60 mph in 4.5 seconds in its current (very heavy) guise. Of course the new S-Class will make its debut. There might even be an updated E-Class there too.
 
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#190 of 441
SL = "sport light" by ikramerica
May 25, 2005 (9:18 pm)
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so it's about time brought the "light" back, huh?
 
even the "sport light compact" SLK is a bit heavier than it might be.
#191 of 441
SL = "sport light" by merc1
May 25, 2005 (9:47 pm)
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Replying to: ikramerica (May 25, 2005 9:18 pm)

Good point. Don't you just love the logic behind SL, SLK, SLR, CL and CLK?
 
SL = Sport Light
SLK = Sport Light Short
CLK = Coupe Light Short
CL = Coupe Light
SLR = Sport Light Racing
 
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