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Mercedes-Benz CLS-Class, Mercedes-Benz R-Class
#172 of 441 Timeline
May 15, 2005 (10:58 pm)
In reading some other sites tonight there is a lot of talk about whats upcoming in the Benz lineup, here is what we know and the latest rumors by model year:
2006: CLK facelift new CLK350, C-Class new 2.5L, 3.0L, and 3.5L V6 engines, R-Class, M-Class, SLK280. S350 added to the S-Class lineup in the U.S. More standard equipment on all S-Class models for the final run of the S-Class.
2007: New S-Class, new CL, E-Class facelift, SL-Class facelift, all three with new V8 engines. New G-Class, though there is some question as to whether or not this new large SUV will be called a "G". Some MB sites are saying it will be called the MLX or GLX. New V8s thoughout the entire MB range. New 6.3L V8 from AMG in various states of tune based on application. (should be the biggest year in the near future)
2008: New C-Class. New CLK. New small SUV below the M-Class. Several names are being thrown around: MLX, MLK, GLK, X-Class etc. All we know is that it is coming. Finally there is talk of another CLS style vehicle between the next C-Class and the E-Class, the CLE.
#173 of 441 Merc1 - thanks for the summary.
May 16, 2005 (2:53 pm)
I appreciate the concise overview of the next 3 model years for Mercedes.
With 5-6 'future Mercedes' topics now open, often about single models, it can be hard to keep track.
Would it be better if all 'future vehicle' Mercedes topics were consolidated in this one thread?
#174 of 441 Re: Merc1 - thanks for the summary. [scott1256]
by kirstie_h HOST
May 17, 2005 (7:37 am)
We should be talking about specific, announced future models in the model-specific discussions. This one exists more for speculation, and for talking about models that are likely to be updated. If you want to keep track of all of them, subscribe to them and check your message center.
Some members are only interested in 1 or 2 upcoming models, and wouldn't want to dig through this discussion for information on the one they're interested in.
#175 of 441 Re: Merc1 - thanks for the summary. [scott1256]
May 18, 2005 (1:12 am)
I appreciate the concise overview of the next 3 model years for Mercedes
No problem. Its always fun to try and look into the future. Mercedes' way of doing things though are pretty much predictable imo. Mercedes usually sticks to a clear pattern of introducing a new model. This new S-Class will be shown in Sept and will land here in the March-April timeframe, 7 years to the month when the current model went on sale here.
#176 of 441 Good news for Mercedes fans...
May 18, 2005 (1:06 pm)
J.D. Power released the 2005 rankings today and Mercedes is back in the top 5. I am doubly pleased as 2 of my favorite marques are tied for 5th place: Cadillac and Mercedes.
"As in last year's survey, General Motors Corp. (GM) had two of its brands -- Buick and Cadillac -- in the top five. Buick was No. 4 with 101 problems per 100 vehicles, followed by Cadillac in fifth place, tied with DaimlerChrysler AG's ( DCX) Mercedes-Benz."
Top five brands in order: Lexus, Jaguar, BMW, Buick and Cadillac/Mercedes tied for 5th.
Let's hope Mercedes keeps the good quality rolling along.
#177 of 441 Re: Good news for Mercedes fans... [scott1256]
May 18, 2005 (9:33 pm)
Yeah I guess, though a 90 day survey really doesn't say much imo. To the survey worshipers this means absolutely nothing until Mercedes is #1, not only in this survey but in the 3-5 year ones also.
Still though some improvement is better than none I guess. Hopefully there will be a corresponding improvement in the long term stats also. Thing is we have to wait until 2008 to truly find out how good the 2005 models are. Then again maybe not, CR does a one year survey. It will be out next April for the 2005 models.
#178 of 441 Mercedes
May 19, 2005 (3:18 am)
Not a "future model" but still:
#179 of 441 Jaguar top 5? Pointless survey...
May 20, 2005 (9:30 am)
Just proves my point that this kind of initial quality survey is pointless. Nobody I ever knew who owned a Jaguar would say it had quality on par with a Lexus over time...
And people talk of how Hyundai has improved initial quality. but look at it this way. For many people, the Hyundai will be the first new car they've ever owned. Either a first car, or the first new car after a life of used. Do you think these owners, when asked, will offer up a squeak or a rattle as a defect? Or point out other flaws? Or will they be so excited about the car, they will say how great it is unless it has a real problem?
I was given a brand new Mazda6 as a loaner yesterday (check engine light went on the C Coupe, likely an O2 sensor, very common problem in all makes). Anyway, I am the first driver of this car (24 miles) and while solid, there is a rear window squeak. As a perfectionist MB owner, I would report that in an initial quality survey, and that would be listed as a defect. But would a new owner of a cloth, base 4 cylinder Mazda6 report that same noise?
#180 of 441 Re: Jaguar top 5? Pointless survey... [ikramerica]
May 20, 2005 (10:23 am)
Good point. Just like every aspect of a car, build quality in the first few months is relative. How good might filet mignon taste to you if all you've ever eaten is mcdonalds?
#181 of 441 Re: Merc1 - thanks for the summary. [merc1]
May 20, 2005 (3:13 pm)
I second the concise message kudo. Interested in the AMG version of the new S class. Any insight?