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#166 of 441 Merc1 - article by scott1256 May 12, 2005 (6:15 am)
I agree - a lame article. But - Forbes readers are financially able to buy Mercedes cars and this will not dispose them toward doing so.   Any quality/reliability issue usually takes a while being addressed and solved. This is not exclusive to Mercedes. The current problems at VW and the Cadillac situation of 10 years have similarities to the MB scenario.   An article like this one in Forbes creates a lot of negative ripples. Restoring an image is not the work of a few months. Replies to this message: merc1 (May 12, 2005 10:19 pm)
#167 of 441 Re: Merc1 - article [scott1256] by merc1 May 12, 2005 (10:19 pm)
Replying to: scott1256 (May 12, 2005 6:15 am) Yeah they should stick to the money talk. The article reads like a child wrote it.   I've always felt that Mercedes had the most to lose when their quality went down hill since they were at the top in image and quality in most people's minds. People love to see how the mighty have fallen. This will take years to fix.   M
#168 of 441 Re: Merc1, stroudman, ikramerica [stroudman] by gagrice May 13, 2005 (3:47 pm)
Replying to: stroudman (May 10, 2005 12:13 pm) All black with a wood trim pkg   I am following this thread as I am interested in the new R class Grand Sport Tourer. Your wood trim comment caught my attention. I got thrown off the RX400h thread for making disparaging remarks about the lack of off-road ability with the Lexus sport ute. One of the things that got to me is making out like aluminum trim is better than wood trim. Am I missing something? Anyway I am enjoying your dialog on the difference between cars. I am into handling more than doodads that are offered on many Asian cars. Too bad they can't handle or stop as fast as they can make them accelerate. I bought a 2005 Passat TDI until the R class with diesel hits our shores. It is a very nice car, though a bit smaller than my Suburban.
#169 of 441 All models have same flaw? by ikramerica May 14, 2005 (3:09 pm)
Says who? I have never read any objective report that says ALL mercedes models have equal reliability problems. For Forbes to make such a grand statement is typical of the press today. They don't do research, they don't check facts, they write what they 'hear' or parrot what they 'read' and state it as fact without attribution or evidence. more and more journalists are being thrown off of newspapers for this laziness. but car reviews still suffer from it. whether it is fabricating stoplight anecdotes, slamming a cars ergonomics because they are too stupid to read a manual once in their lives, or repeating what they hear around the watercooler as fact, it is all symptomatic of journalistic laziness.   I wrote a nasty letter to Edmunds inside line about the same thing. In every, and I mean, every, article recently about a new mercedes model, one that hasn't even been released and has no history of problems, the bottom line is always "this one will likely be a lemon" or something like that. It's is total parroting bias that serves little purpose.   As i stated before and will repeat, MB cars get the same high customer satisfaction scores of other top models on Edmunds, and often higher, despite the low regard the editors have for MB. So who is right, the reviewer who drives the car for a day, laments you can't get a manual transmission, and then reads consumer reports, or the owner who has the car for years and loves it? If the cars like the C-Class were really lemons, how would they get 9.5 scores (compared to lower for the 3-series, A4 and X-type)? These averages include people who post about bad experiences, so it's not hype.   So I guess if MB doesn't get 10s across the board, they are failures? Replies to this message: gagrice (May 14, 2005 3:19 pm) merc1 (May 15, 2005 1:12 pm)
#170 of 441 Re: All models have same flaw? [ikramerica] by gagrice May 14, 2005 (3:19 pm)
Replying to: ikramerica (May 14, 2005 3:09 pm) or the owner who has the car for years and loves it?   I vote for the consumer that gives his opinion after owning the car, over Edmund's, CR or JD Powers. I also get a lot of flack about Passat TDI being unreliable. Yet if you follow the threads there is much more praise than unhappy owners. I have gotten to where I don't trust magazine writers at all. Most of the articles are just re-writes of other articles or worse the written statement given by Toyota, Lexus or Honda.
#171 of 441 Re: All models have same flaw? [ikramerica] by merc1 May 15, 2005 (1:12 pm)
Replying to: ikramerica (May 14, 2005 3:09 pm) Yes unfortunately thats how it goes. Once a story gets out a about Mercedes' not being reliable the lazy and uninformed run with it like its the case with every Mercedes in equal terms. Forbes hasn't a clue and they aren't an automotive publication so you know what I think of that lame article. I hadn't read that in any Edmunds reviews though, most of them were extremely postive lately (CLS500, SL65, SLK350, E55 Wagon) from what I've seen. Which review did you see that in?   I think Mercedes gets slammed harder because they were the leader in the luxury car market so long and some people in the back of their minds like to see a great name fall from time to time.   M
#172 of 441 Timeline by merc1 May 15, 2005 (9:58 pm)
In reading some other sites tonight there is a lot of talk about whats upcoming in the Benz lineup, here is what we know and the latest rumors by model year:   2006: CLK facelift new CLK350, C-Class new 2.5L, 3.0L, and 3.5L V6 engines, R-Class, M-Class, SLK280. S350 added to the S-Class lineup in the U.S. More standard equipment on all S-Class models for the final run of the S-Class.   2007: New S-Class, new CL, E-Class facelift, SL-Class facelift, all three with new V8 engines. New G-Class, though there is some question as to whether or not this new large SUV will be called a "G". Some MB sites are saying it will be called the MLX or GLX. New V8s thoughout the entire MB range. New 6.3L V8 from AMG in various states of tune based on application. (should be the biggest year in the near future)   2008: New C-Class. New CLK. New small SUV below the M-Class. Several names are being thrown around: MLX, MLK, GLK, X-Class etc. All we know is that it is coming. Finally there is talk of another CLS style vehicle between the next C-Class and the E-Class, the CLE.   M
#173 of 441 Merc1 - thanks for the summary. by scott1256 May 16, 2005 (1:53 pm)
I appreciate the concise overview of the next 3 model years for Mercedes.   With 5-6 'future Mercedes' topics now open, often about single models, it can be hard to keep track.   Would it be better if all 'future vehicle' Mercedes topics were consolidated in this one thread? Replies to this message: kirstie_h (May 17, 2005 6:37 am) merc1 (May 18, 2005 12:12 am) sgtmjr (May 20, 2005 2:13 pm) merc1 (May 20, 2005 10:41 pm) and 2 more...
#174 of 441 Re: Merc1 - thanks for the summary. [scott1256] by kirstie_h HOST May 17, 2005 (6:37 am)
Replying to: scott1256 (May 16, 2005 1:53 pm) Hi scott1256, We should be talking about specific, announced future models in the model-specific discussions. This one exists more for speculation, and for talking about models that are likely to be updated. If you want to keep track of all of them, subscribe to them and check your message center.   Some members are only interested in 1 or 2 upcoming models, and wouldn't want to dig through this discussion for information on the one they're interested in.

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