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Replying to: stroudman (May 06, 2005 6:38 am) I think Mercedes has made some progress too, at least by the posts on Edmunds. There doesn't seem to be nearly as many complaints about newer models as their was a few years ago. It seems that way. The new ML worries me the most. Now you know as I do that once the press and other detractors get it in their mind that a Mercedes isn't reliable, it will take years to fix the damage. Some of the survey toting crowd has become so ridiculous about this to the point of where it isn't worth talking to them anymore because they can't understand that for one a car is not all surveys and that surveys aren't perfect. It has become an idiotic discussion. M
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Replying to: merc1 (May 06, 2005 2:33 pm)
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All I know is that the C-Class gets a 9.5 average rating among owners here on Edmunds, higher than just about any other car out there. So, even if the editors give it a 7, the people buying the cars love the car, despite the warts (mines had a few problems, but I'm getting another). And worldwide, the "troublesome" C-Class that "isn't up to Mercedes standards" and "isn't sporty enough" has passed the 3-series for sales. Well, who knows about the last month with the new 3-series, but over the last year it had passed the BMW. |
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Replying to: stroudman (May 06, 2005 6:40 pm) M |
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Replying to: merc1 (May 07, 2005 8:14 am) It just annoys me when people say: your car sucks and mine is great" just because of some bias, not experience. I can't wait for my C280, even if resale isn't quite as good as a lexus or dynamics are more reserved than a BMW. As an overall daily car that can be fun when you want it to but maintains a level of luxury and eschews overly bling-bling design, I personally think the C is the king. Who knows what the next C will bring (hopefully not the non-mercedes styling inside and out of the SLK), but for this model run, the C is a great car, getting better with each refinement. And in that respect, neither sales figures nor user ratings are lying...
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Replying to: ikramerica (May 07, 2005 11:54 am) M
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Replying to: merc1 (May 07, 2005 1:39 pm) With regards to the Lexus Army, I think they are the most hardened of the glitch intolerant drivers out there. I don't think they would ever admit it, but if they could be assured that an S500, for example, that they saw at a dealership were guaranteed to be problem free, they would buy it and love it. They put reliability above everything else, which is fine if it's what they buy a car for, but we all know that Lexus delivers a very anodine driving experience. I guess they get their thrill from knowing there is very little chance of anything malfunctioning. When I leased my C-class, I went into it KNOWING there was a more than average likelihood that it would have problems, but I gladly signed up anyway, and my car has been much more reliable than any other car I've ever had. I think a "value-oriented luxury car" is not really a luxury car. All their arguments seem to center on the problems one car has over another, or how much more one costs than another. Anyway, they've taken enough of my energy, I won't indulge them much, anymore. They're not enthusiasts so much as they are toadies, they just keep clubbing you over the head with the same garbage. |
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Replying to: merc1 (May 07, 2005 1:39 pm) either way, I like my 2002 C class, and I'm just going to like the 2006 C280 even more. and I'm getting the blue leather, which is a pretty rare color in any brand. |
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It seems impossible to have a reasonable discussion about Mercedes or GM these days. Everything seems to be in absolutes - 'Mercedes is building junk' or 'There is no value left in any GM brand' etc. It may be that the old standards brands are losing their cachet with a younger generation The Japanese and Koreans are creating an image that I am slow to recognize. Hyundai/Kia have ambitions far beyond the lower and mid market range - witness the luxury cars they plan to introduce over the next 5 years. Surveys such as JD Power are the gold standard for many car buyers today. It seems many on these boards truly believe that a Hyundai or Kia is a higher quality vehicle than a Mercedes or Cadillac. |
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Replying to: scott1256 (May 09, 2005 5:30 am) GMs problem may be that they have let the marketing drive the design rather than designing a great car and then letting it sell itself. and they aren't the only company guilty of that. |
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