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Re: Stroudman [ikramerica] by merc1
May 04, 2005 (11:39 pm)
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Replying to: ikramerica (May 04, 2005 5:17 pm)

The dealership where I am ordering my C280, for example, had an E55, C55, SL65, CLS55, and S55 sitting in the showroom, as well as a few more AMGs outside.
 
The dealers around here seem to have a lot of AMG models too. I guess AMG made some type of huge shipment recently or something? I've never seen so many AMG models in a dealer's lot before until now. I mean even all three "65" models. The only one I haven't seen yet is the SLK55, either on the lot or on the road.
 
What do you think of the Maybach?
 
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More AMG models now. by scott1256
May 05, 2005 (5:21 am)
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It appears Mercedes is moving AMG away from its former 'specialized niche' status. It is being repositioned as a standard model range and production is being ramped up.
 
Keeping exclusivity exclusive is a challenge! Once a product becomes popular the trendsetters move on to the next unique/hot thing.
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Maybach cars - Merc1 by scott1256
May 05, 2005 (5:29 am)
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Maybach is an outstanding car: a truly super S-Class+. I wonder if it can accomplish what DC has in mind for it against Rolls-Royce.
 
I read recently about an auto journalist who drove a Phantom across the country. The writer was used to arriving in Ferraris, SLs, Lamborghinis and the like but his experience with the Rolls-Royce was unique.
 
He said that wherever he went (restaurants, hotels, casinos - even gas stops) he received a level of service and a deference that he had never experienced before simply because he was driving the Rolls.
 
Maybach may be objectively a better vehicle but it doesn't have the presence of a Rolls-Royce.
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Re: Stroudman [ikramerica] by stroudman
May 05, 2005 (2:05 pm)
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Replying to: ikramerica (May 04, 2005 5:17 pm)

I agree that a wagon is more regional than most other cars in popularity. I'm in the southeast, where trucks and truck based SUVs are almost obligatory. Perhaps it's the mild snob in me that would say it, but I think luxury wagons appeal to a more refined taste. I don't have anything against the south or southern culture, per se, but the average person in this neck of the woods has a more base set of tastes' and wants than other areas of the country. That may explain some of it.
 
I do hope they don't start soaking the market with too much of the AMG product, tho. It needs to remain a rare commodity.
 
     Your C280 is probably going to be a pretty cool rig. I'm looking forward to selling them.
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Re: Maybach cars - Merc1 [scott1256] by merc1
May 05, 2005 (8:11 pm)
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Replying to: scott1256 (May 05, 2005 5:29 am)

"Maybach may be objectively a better vehicle but it doesn't have the presence of a Rolls-Royce."
 
I agree, and the Rolls just looks and feels more "special" and custom made. The Maybach really is as you said, a super Mercedes. I personally would have just called it the "Maybach by Mercedes-Benz", which was the original plan until VW and BMW got their hands on the two most valued brands in the ultra-luxury car business.
 
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stroudman - 'too much...AMG' by scott1256
May 06, 2005 (5:12 am)
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When Mr. Ferrari was the boss the 'Ferrari' designation was off limits for V-8 or V-6 models. "A Ferrari has 12 cylinders!" was his dictum.
 
In business sales are the trump card, especially during a slump. I'm sure this is why the AMG option is so widely available at Benz lately.
 
I sincerely believe the Mercedes sales/quality slump can be turned around within 24 months. Management should accomplish the task with hard work and dedication, not brand dilution.
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Maybach - merc1 by scott1256
May 06, 2005 (6:26 am)
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The Mercedes brand name is more pretigious than Maybach, IMO.
 
Mercedes could move into the ultra-luxury range again. They were there for many years with the 600 series in the 1960s/1970s.
 
Create a separate Mercedes model line (Maybach would be a great model designation) and use the tristar emblem. If you want the series name on the car put small 'Maybach' emblems/crests on the fenders, decklid or wheel covers.
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Re: stroudman - 'too much...AMG' [scott1256] by stroudman
May 06, 2005 (6:38 am)
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Replying to: scott1256 (May 06, 2005 5:12 am)

I agree. I also think the rebound is already happening. The more recent cars - SLK, CLS, E350, ML, are running pretty much problem free so far. Time will tell, in the long term, of course. Some of the mistakes could be easily corrected, with immediate results, IMO. For example, the free service during the warranty. It isn't that much money that the buyer saves, (about $800 over 4 years, average), but it was a huge mistake to remove that perk, especially when BMW went the other way, and now pays for brakes and tires and even wiper blades, on top of all the other scheduled service. Offering that service program for 4 years, then taking it away was a huge mistake IMO.
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Re: Maybach - merc1 [scott1256] by merc1
May 06, 2005 (2:27 pm)
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Replying to: scott1256 (May 06, 2005 6:26 am)

"The Mercedes brand name is more pretigious than Maybach, IMO."
 
Oh of course. Very people know that Maybach was a part of the Mercedes-Benz story from very beginning.
 
Maybach, if they're going to keep it seperate brand, needs a seperate look from Mercedes imo. Something with stunning prescence like the Phantom, but much better looking unlike the Phantom. The problem is deciding what a "Maybach" should look like. I'd like to see former Mercedes styling chief Brunno Sacco take a shot at a new Maybach.
 
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Re: stroudman - 'too much...AMG' [stroudman] by merc1
May 06, 2005 (2:33 pm)
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Replying to: stroudman (May 06, 2005 6:38 am)

I agree, taking away fthe paid service program was a mistake, but I'm sure that is money that Mercedes no longer had to spend. Once they get warranty claims down, they should be able to offer such a program again.
 
I think Mercedes has made some progress too, at least by the posts on Edmunds. There doesn't seem to be nearly as many complaints about newer models as their was a few years ago. It seems that way. The new ML worries me the most.
 
Now you know as I do that once the press and other detractors get it in their mind that a Mercedes isn't reliable, it will take years to fix the damage. Some of the survey toting crowd has become so ridiculous about this to the point of where it isn't worth talking to them anymore because they can't understand that for one a car is not all surveys and that surveys aren't perfect. It has become an idiotic discussion.
 
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