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#137 of 441 Re: Merc1 - my third team [scott1256] by merc1 May 04, 2005 (8:18 pm)
Replying to: scott1256 (May 04, 2005 6:59 am) I have to say that I like Bentley more than Rolls, but neither of them are high on my list right now for various reasons.   Bentley is growing by leaps and bounds, but the only "true" Bentley to me is the Arnage and the upcoming convertible version. The Continental GT and Flying Spur have way too much VW in their DNA to be true, of course imo.   Rolls-Royce on the other hand is much more true to tradition. The Phantom is a new from the ground up Roll-Royce, with German engineering. While impressive, I'm not crazy about the look. It does however command a presence on the road like nothing else I've ever seen. You're correct about the convertible version, splendid machine imo. Looks much better than the sedan because they've tilted the RR grille back and reduced its size.   Now that both brands have the advantage of German owners they are for the first time in modern history "up" on technology. Before they were antiques.   M
#138 of 441 Re: Stroudman [stroudman] by merc1 May 04, 2005 (8:20 pm)
Replying to: stroudman (May 04, 2005 4:34 pm) Well its the whole "station wagon" stigma I guess. I actually like the current E-Class wagon. The previous E wagon was pretty unnattractive.   None of them approach the simple elegance of the W124 wagon however. Now that was real status symbol back in its day, before the SUV craze.   M
#139 of 441 Re: Stroudman [ikramerica] by merc1 May 04, 2005 (11:39 pm)
Replying to: ikramerica (May 04, 2005 5:17 pm) The dealership where I am ordering my C280, for example, had an E55, C55, SL65, CLS55, and S55 sitting in the showroom, as well as a few more AMGs outside.   The dealers around here seem to have a lot of AMG models too. I guess AMG made some type of huge shipment recently or something? I've never seen so many AMG models in a dealer's lot before until now. I mean even all three "65" models. The only one I haven't seen yet is the SLK55, either on the lot or on the road.   What do you think of the Maybach?   M
#140 of 441 More AMG models now. by scott1256 May 05, 2005 (5:21 am)
It appears Mercedes is moving AMG away from its former 'specialized niche' status. It is being repositioned as a standard model range and production is being ramped up.   Keeping exclusivity exclusive is a challenge! Once a product becomes popular the trendsetters move on to the next unique/hot thing.
#141 of 441 Maybach cars - Merc1 by scott1256 May 05, 2005 (5:29 am)
Maybach is an outstanding car: a truly super S-Class+. I wonder if it can accomplish what DC has in mind for it against Rolls-Royce.   I read recently about an auto journalist who drove a Phantom across the country. The writer was used to arriving in Ferraris, SLs, Lamborghinis and the like but his experience with the Rolls-Royce was unique.   He said that wherever he went (restaurants, hotels, casinos - even gas stops) he received a level of service and a deference that he had never experienced before simply because he was driving the Rolls.   Maybach may be objectively a better vehicle but it doesn't have the presence of a Rolls-Royce. Replies to this message: merc1 (May 05, 2005 8:11 pm)
#142 of 441 Re: Stroudman [ikramerica] by stroudman May 05, 2005 (2:05 pm)
Replying to: ikramerica (May 04, 2005 5:17 pm) I agree that a wagon is more regional than most other cars in popularity. I'm in the southeast, where trucks and truck based SUVs are almost obligatory. Perhaps it's the mild snob in me that would say it, but I think luxury wagons appeal to a more refined taste. I don't have anything against the south or southern culture, per se, but the average person in this neck of the woods has a more base set of tastes' and wants than other areas of the country. That may explain some of it.   I do hope they don't start soaking the market with too much of the AMG product, tho. It needs to remain a rare commodity.        Your C280 is probably going to be a pretty cool rig. I'm looking forward to selling them.
#143 of 441 Re: Maybach cars - Merc1 [scott1256] by merc1 May 05, 2005 (8:11 pm)
Replying to: scott1256 (May 05, 2005 5:29 am) "Maybach may be objectively a better vehicle but it doesn't have the presence of a Rolls-Royce."   I agree, and the Rolls just looks and feels more "special" and custom made. The Maybach really is as you said, a super Mercedes. I personally would have just called it the "Maybach by Mercedes-Benz", which was the original plan until VW and BMW got their hands on the two most valued brands in the ultra-luxury car business.   M
#144 of 441 stroudman - 'too much...AMG' by scott1256 May 06, 2005 (5:12 am)
When Mr. Ferrari was the boss the 'Ferrari' designation was off limits for V-8 or V-6 models. "A Ferrari has 12 cylinders!" was his dictum.   In business sales are the trump card, especially during a slump. I'm sure this is why the AMG option is so widely available at Benz lately.   I sincerely believe the Mercedes sales/quality slump can be turned around within 24 months. Management should accomplish the task with hard work and dedication, not brand dilution. Replies to this message: stroudman (May 06, 2005 6:38 am) merc1 (May 06, 2005 2:33 pm) stroudman (May 06, 2005 6:40 pm) and 5 more...
#145 of 441 Maybach - merc1 by scott1256 May 06, 2005 (6:26 am)
The Mercedes brand name is more pretigious than Maybach, IMO.   Mercedes could move into the ultra-luxury range again. They were there for many years with the 600 series in the 1960s/1970s.   Create a separate Mercedes model line (Maybach would be a great model designation) and use the tristar emblem. If you want the series name on the car put small 'Maybach' emblems/crests on the fenders, decklid or wheel covers. Replies to this message: merc1 (May 06, 2005 2:27 pm)
#146 of 441 Re: stroudman - 'too much...AMG' [scott1256] by stroudman May 06, 2005 (6:38 am)
Replying to: scott1256 (May 06, 2005 5:12 am) I agree. I also think the rebound is already happening. The more recent cars - SLK, CLS, E350, ML, are running pretty much problem free so far. Time will tell, in the long term, of course. Some of the mistakes could be easily corrected, with immediate results, IMO. For example, the free service during the warranty. It isn't that much money that the buyer saves, (about $800 over 4 years, average), but it was a huge mistake to remove that perk, especially when BMW went the other way, and now pays for brakes and tires and even wiper blades, on top of all the other scheduled service. Offering that service program for 4 years, then taking it away was a huge mistake IMO. Replies to this message: merc1 (May 06, 2005 2:33 pm) stroudman (May 06, 2005 6:40 pm) merc1 (May 07, 2005 8:14 am) and 4 more...

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