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#648 of 7624 Re: Bed Crack and Apparent Cause [davidz28]
Dec 10, 2004 (3:31 pm)
There is a great deal of chatter regarding the bed crack at the other site. The majority of forum members are blaming Toyota, the composite material, and anything else that moves. If you read what the owner of the subject truck has to say, the picture gets a little clearer on what caused the SMC bed to crack.
The owner installed a cap/canopy/shell (whatever you may call it) that he originally claimed was about twice the weight of the Toyota optional Snugtop. Presently, he says that another forum member reports that the weight is equal to the Snugtop. Accounting for exaggeration and lack of actual numbers, I suspect that it is heavier. The shell came off his 2002 Tacoma, which is narrower than the 2005 Tacoma. This means that the shell was not sitting squarely on the bed sidewalls, but loaded the inside of the sidewalls. That will tend to push them outwardly. Let’s call his 4x4 excursion a test track. He then took the vehicle on this “test track” of very rough terrain, which pushed/pulled those sidewalls out and in. The resultant fatigue failure is the crack we see. If you take a piece of sheet metal and subject it to repeated cyclic stresses and strains, which are even considerably below the ultimate tensile strength, it can result in cracks or complete failure. The composite material did the same and it appears to have ruptured from the top to the bottom in the pictures provided. The owner, in effect, modified the vehicle design, and his test trials proved his design inadequate.
#649 of 7624 Re: Sport and VSC [coinneach]
Dec 10, 2004 (3:54 pm)
How do you like your Tacoma with the PT option? I got mine on Nov 11th and it's the greatest. I also have the V6 w/6 speed tranny. So far no defects or problems.
#650 of 7624 Re: Sport and VSC [vmiman]
Dec 10, 2004 (6:34 pm)
I prematurely and expectantly show that I have the 2005 Tacoma in my profile. It is coming. It's scheduled to go through the assembly line the week of January 3rd. Delivery occurs around January 16-20. In it's place, right now, I have a 1986 Ford Bronco II, Eddie Bauer Edition. I presently have 4 offers on it because it is in such good shape.
I just got off the phone with the Toyota sales manager. It seems I ordered too much stuff on my Tacoma from the factory. They have a 15 option limit. We adjusted things as necessary.
By the way, "Coinneach" is the gaelic word for Kenneth. You can call me Ken.
Dec 10, 2004 (7:36 pm)
Good analysis above of the crack issue based on limited info. Nevertheless, it still bothers me greatly. I have owned 3 pickups in my life. Two of them I horribly abused. I gouged beds, dented beds, folded tailgates and neglected beds until they rusted out. But I never had a steel bed crack through and through from stress. When toyota went plastic, I am sure many thought "....but what about cracks from rough use?" No matter how it's spun, its ugly... But I guess time will tell. I for one have reserved final judgment, and if prices come down a few K, I may buy a Tacoma yet.
#652 of 7624 2005 Access Cab with OG
Dec 10, 2004 (9:44 pm)
Picked up a white 2005 4x4 Access Cab with the six speed and OG/tow package last night. Using Costco's buyer program and some hard bargaining, I managed to get it for $400 over invoice and feel happy to get it at this price. (I can't tell you how many times I had to tell sales people that the relation of their price to MSRP was absolutely irrelevant to me. Invoice, invoice, invoice.) I tried and failed to get the dealer to do something that would get me out of the stock BF Goodrich P265/70R16 Rugged Trail A/T's. More on that later.
My 1999 ExtraCab 4x4 went off to its new home today and the new one is a great, though not perfect truck. Watching me go through days of negotiation, my girlfriend/partner believes my mood change with the arrival of the 2005 means I should buy a brand new truck much more often. This could be good.
The interior is a big improvement over my previous truck. Front seats have lots of lateral support and I like the looks. My 95 pound Bernese Mountain Dog fits happily in the back on the folded down seats with room to stretch. The fact that it lies truly flat is a big plus. The critter has already been able to sleep fully extended behind the front seats. Instrument cluster seems fine and I can finally see the turn signal lights now that they've been moved to the bottom of the speedo hole. Used to be hidden behind the top of the steering wheel for me and I'd been known to drive for miles giving the car behind me the impression that I was about to make a left turn into the concrete lane divider on the freeway.
The radio is just the low-end stock CD AM/FM. I've been looking at aftermarket upgrades and I'm not sure how they are going to fit that little Pioneer or Sony into the huge area occupied by the one from Toyota. The surface it's mounted in is curved and silver. Best Buy showed me some adapters they have for some other cars, but what I saw would make the middle of the dash look like it had been modified by the mechanic for the Beverly Hillbillies. I'm going to sit back and wait while someone comes up with a decent solution. I would also say that I wish that Toyota had made this an easier process since audio components have become commodity items built to real standards.
I was surprised not to find an ashtray. I don't smoke, but I normally use this to hold meter change and a few little trinkets I like to have along for the ride. I see reference to one in the extra accessories list, but not sure what it is or where it goes. Oh well. Lots of other storage, including the sun-glasses pull-down in the ceiling, are plenty. I'm sure a lot of drivers are used to these touches, but they are new to me.
Exterior appearance: I like the truck going and coming a lot. Looks strong, like bull. However, I find the looks on the side to be something I'm going to have to get used to. The rear side window in particular looks small and misshapen to my eye. I happened to see a Double Cab today, and that truck looks great from a side view. Almost like the design decisions were made for the Double Cab first and then shoe-horned into the constraints of the Access Cab. I also wish the rear door windows popped out as on my '99 and that they were bigger.
My initial take on the manual tranny with the V6 was "why would you need 6 speeds?" Five gears seems plenty. I must say that it's nice to see the revs loping along near 2500 at 70mph on the freeway. Good choice, Toyota! Truck is very zippy, though I think I expected a little more pull given that the horsepower got a boost of 55, but the truck is heavier as well. Ride is sweet to my unschooled butt. Flattens bumps and feels quite solid.
Possibly my greatest complaint is the single choice of tires I was given. (I guess that's not actually a choice.) I do get off-road in places in the California desert where the penalty for a blow-out or puncture of a sidewall by a scrape with a rock can be very high. I need something tough that will get me in and get me out without problem. I'm careful out there, but a P rated tire like the Goodrich Rugged Trail T/A's just ain't going to git it. I've already got them for sale on craigslist and will get some Michelin LT's of some sort.
#653 of 7624 Re: 2005 Access Cab with OG [bigandy]
Dec 11, 2004 (6:42 am)
Thanks for your post. I have the 2005 Access Cab with the TRD Sport Package, V6 and 6 speed tranny. I also got the Dunlop tires which I was very happy to have. I didn't like the Goodrich's either!!! First thing I did was to scotchgard all my seats. I love the truck (mine is the indigo blue). Only thing I don't like it the white skid plate on the front. Why couldn't they have painted it black??? It really sticks out. I will probably have it repainted. I also bought all the goodies: cargo divider, bed net, bike rack, cross bars and ski rack, and the mini hooks for the front rail. Set me back about $700, but hey, might as well take advantage of that great new rail system. I plan to put a hard or soft tonneau cover on the truck as soon as a company develops one that will work with the rail system (I don't want to have to modify it). I had a 2000 Dodge Dakota SLT that I traded for the Toyota (just saw it got recalled yesterday, boy did I time that right!!!).
Dec 12, 2004 (3:30 am)
I just teest drove a 2005 Toyota Tacoma 4x4 Double Cab Short Bed with the TRD Off-Road Package and was impressed by the quality and the power of the V6.
The dealer gave me $2000.00 off the sticker price of $29736.00. Is this a good deal coming from a Toyota dealer? I've never dealt with Toyota before.
#655 of 7624 Re: Shopping [bricker]
Dec 12, 2004 (9:25 am)
That seems like a good deal and typical of what I'm hearing people getting. Carsdirect.com is at about 26,900 something for trd off road dble cab, v6, manual that lists for 28,100 something.
My target price is 26,500 for a truck that lists at 28,130. That gives them about 5% over invoice.
Also look at their document fees. 2,000 under MSRP isn't such a great deal if they hit you with a $700.00 doc fee in the finance office. The lowest doc fee I've seen is $200.00
Happy hunting and let us know what deal you get.
#656 of 7624 Re: Shopping [gearhead1]
Dec 12, 2004 (9:52 am)
I don't want to offend here, but 5% profit seems high to me. A friend of mine taught me a system which entails using the phone to talk to every dealer in the area you would consider using and offering a deal of X$ over invoice. Not X$ off of MSRP and not X% of invoice. Figure out a fair profit for them and make that the basis of the sale. Doesn't matter what the MSRP is. Edmunds and kbb.com both have invoice pricing and any dealer incentives going on.
In my case, my goal was $450 over invoice and I actually beat it when I inadvertantly engaged two dealers in a bidding war for my business. It takes some footwork/phonework. If you have some or most of them reject the sale, then you know you're on the right track. The more whining and complaints you hear from them, the better. (I once helped a friend buy an Accord using this method and while we were sitting in the sales office, the guy told us to tell friends about the dealership, but not to tell them the deal she got. That was satisfying!)
You have to remember what a sleazy business selling cars is and how these people are schooled in manipulating you out of your money. They will use whatever they have to in order to seal a deal, including deception and outright lying. Most of my contact with auto sales people leaves me with the feeling that I should promptly wash my hands. (I'm sure there are exceptions, but they are rare indeed.)
Your 5% over invoice amounts to more than $1250 and though any car salesman reading this will disagree, let them make that much profit from a sale to someone else.
Dec 12, 2004 (11:49 am)
"Most of my contact with auto sales people leaves me with the feeling that I should promptly wash my hands."
That may have to do with your shopping method... most of the good sales folks who hang out here know better than to engage in bidding wars over the phonea & would politely tell you to take a hike.
I deal in person and I seem to have no trouble getting competitive deals and minimum hassle... not to say that I occasionally have had to beat a retreat at a store that had more of a "come on down, low down, low payment" approach.
'05 Tacos are pretty hot, so if I were selling them, I don't know I'd go for the 5% over routine either.