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#84 of 114 Re: Saturn Dealer vs Saturn [steelerman]
Feb 24, 2008 (8:34 am)
Follow up to my original post:
I filled out an online survey on the Saturn Dealer's website regarding my frustration. Within 15 mins the Service manager I had spoken to the day before was calling to say that his boss (the GM) saw my survey and wanted him to call me to straighten it out.
Long story short: he apologized and acknowledged (finally) that going by the OLM was fine and it would not void the warranty. He also said he would educate his service techs about this issue.
#85 of 114 Re: Saturn Dealer vs Saturn [dtownfb]
Feb 24, 2008 (7:18 pm)
BTW, when you are talking finance, you never know what is a lot of money to someone. $40 a year may not be a lot for you or me but for some folks that is an electric bill, water bill or a week of groceries.
I am not sure what that has to do with what is being discussed. isellhondas stated that extending OCI's help the total cost of ownership number. I responded saying that it helps but not by much.
I just looked up the five year TCO for a 2007 Civic. It is $35,000. If you are doing 2 fewer oil changes a year, you are saving $200 over a five year period. In other words, by doing less oil changes, Honda is improving its TCO number by less than one percent. Yes, it helps, but it doesn't help much, relatively speaking.
Also by following the manufacturer OCI, you use less oil....foreign oil that is. Not a bad thing with $3.20 gas.
Isn't clean oil supposed to give you better gas mileage?
#86 of 114 Re: Saturn Dealer vs Saturn [humblecoder]
Feb 26, 2008 (4:41 pm)
My point: not unless you intimately know someone's financial situation, you have non clue how spending additional money will affect a person situation. I rather err on the side of caution and offer savings rather then additional costs. $40 to you may be fine (and me). It could be detrimental to someone else. That's all.
As long as the oil retains its lubricating properties and viscocity, I don't think it matters if the oil is fresh or has 6000 miles in the engine. I would think if you are getting worst gas mileage, something else is wrong.
#87 of 114 Re: Saturn Dealer vs Saturn [steelerman]
Feb 26, 2008 (4:42 pm)
Very good to hear. i'm glad you voiced your frustration.
#88 of 114 10K Oil Change Intervals
May 02, 2008 (6:51 pm)
You 3K oil change intervals types will go nuts over this. I bought a 1998 used Volvo S70 in 2000 with 58K miles on it. I change the oil every 10K miles with Mobil 1 10W30 and a Mobil 1 filter. My S70 gets a major service every 30K miles.
I now have 226K , thats 226,000 miles on it now and oil consumption is one quart every 5-6K miles.
I had a 3K change guy tell me several years ago I was ruining my engine by 10K oil changes. Personally I think people that change the oil every 3K miles under normal conditions don't know much about modern day motor oil or have an oil changing fetish.
#89 of 114 Re: 10K Oil Change Intervals [7milehi]
May 02, 2008 (7:36 pm)
But your using synthetic oil. 10K between changes is not unusual for Mobil 1. If you used petroleum based oil it would be a different story.
#90 of 114 Re: 10K Oil Change Intervals [7milehi]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
May 03, 2008 (8:58 am)
Without oil analysis, the right and wrong of a 10K change is strictly opinion on either side. Your 10K interval engine didn't blow up, but neither did his 3K interval engine.
also, as dawg says, someone would be nuts to change out synthetic oil at 3K. Nobody I know does that. You'd also be reckless to go 10K on regular oil.
I change out synthetic at 7,500 because I don't do oil analysis.
#91 of 114 Re: 10K Oil Change Intervals [7milehi]
May 04, 2008 (9:55 am)
"...Have an oil change fetish..."
That's me. If I don't change my dino oil by 3K I start to imagine all the horrible grinding and metal to metal scraping going on in my engine. I can't sleep until I get that FILTHY oil away from my motor!
Actually, I have found those oil changes to be a relatively cheap safeguard. I'm sure a modern engine can take more abuse but why should it have to.
I did the first oil change on my new car at 1500 miles because I wanted to switch over to synthetic. I looked at the dip stick the night before and the original oil was still golden brown. This surprised me as any other car I have owned has turned the oil black after a few hundred miles at most.
So, I guess I didn't need an oil change at 1500 miles but I WANTED one. In the end that's all that matters.
BTW, back in the late 70's my brother bought a new car and didn't change the oil for 12,000 miles. Needless to say, he was pleased when someone stole it and drove it into the river.
#92 of 114 289 ford
May 04, 2008 (4:07 pm)
my old man had a fairlane 500 he bought of the show room floor and tortured the car for 90,000 mile pulling boats and horse trailers with it. he changed the oil at least 3 times in that 90,000 miles. not to say there towards the last it didn't change it's self about every 1000 miles ha-ha.
#93 of 114 Re: 10K Oil Change Intervals [oldfarmer50]
May 04, 2008 (6:38 pm)
Not sure if I read it on the Edmunds Honda forum or on BITOG, but Honda recommends to keep the factory fill in for at least 4000 miles for proper engine break-in. From what I've read the factory fill is a special break-in oil.
I'm going to run the factory fill in my new 08 Taurus to 5000 miles then get my free first oil change from the dealership then switch to Pennzoil Platinum at 10,0000 miles. Seems like the PP is getting better oil analysis than Mobil 1 from what I've been seeing over on BITOG.