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#496 of 504 by xcel

Apr 13, 2004 (6:05 pm)

Hi Backy:
 
___The only problem is that they are going to limit the Escape to just 30,000 vehicles As for its performance, it should be comparable to the V6 according to Ford’s Escape Hybrid web site? Meaaing depleted pack, depleted performance. I wonder how a 133 HP – 129 Ft.-Lb’s of torque engine will do hauling that > 3600 # (I am guessing at its weight?) vehicle around? It is going to use the 2.3 L from the PZEV Focus but it appears to have been Atkinsonized. Here is Ford’s own detail:
 
133 horsepower at 6000 rpm and 129 lbs-ft of torque at 4500 rpm. The preliminary horsepower rating climbs to approximately 155 hp when combined with the electric motors (based on Ford preliminary data).
 
___The problem as is the case with all Hybrid’s, can it make up its higher initial cost in fuel cost savings? It is supposed to cost another $2,000 - $4,000 over one of the Escapes? I hope that is the 4 cylinder version? It is a PZEV so that helps and receiving 38 mpg in the Manhattan traffic and 37 continuous hours on a single tank is pretty amazing. And it did it with celebrities, not experienced Hybrid drivers … I don’t think I could have done that in my Insight but an 04 Prius driver might have been able too? 37 hours and 537 miles is a long way however … This was done at the proper time so as to not to have to use heat or A/C more then likely and that PZEV could just sit at all those lights and in that traffic doing nothing but crawling on the pack for hours before the ICE started up to charge the pack again?
 
___Here is the Escape Hybrid SUV capability text at Ford’s Escape Hybrid site: http://www.fordvehicles.com/escapehybrid/capability/index.asp?bhc- p=1
 
___Rfruth, I have read the V6 in the HH will be SULEV but I don’t know much else about it. I am sure there is plenty of discussion about it in the Highlander and I thought I saw a HH forum as well?
 
___Good Luck
 
___Wayne R. Gerdes

#497 of 504 the emissions level by nippononly

Apr 13, 2004 (10:47 pm)

of a SULEV and a PZEV are the same standard. The extras you get in a PZEV are zero evaporative emissions from the gas tank and a 150K emissions warranty.
 
I would hope that Ford did the same thing with the HVAC as Toyota did with the current Prius - engineer them so that the gas engine does not have to run at stoplights to keep the heat or A/C running.

#498 of 504 What % of buyers, ................................ by daysailer

Apr 14, 2004 (4:32 am)

do you suppose, choose a vehicle based on its emission rating?

#499 of 504 Re: What % of buyers, ................................ [daysailer #498] by midnightcowboy

Apr 14, 2004 (6:32 am)

Replying to: daysailer (Apr 14, 2004 4:32 am)
About the same as the emission percentage ;0 In otherwords , very low.
 
And assume that USA gets Iraq back on its feet, disolve the current OPEC, and has some influence on reasonably priced oil.
 
If this happens, Guess what It will be the same effect after the gas lines and gas shortages of the 70's were over. Hybrids will wayne in popularity, especially the low performance ones.
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I have been trying to think of a new moniker
 
PRIUS - Performance Really Is Un-Smart.
 
PRIUS - Pride Rises Inspite Un-prius Stupidity.
 
PRIUS - Pump Resource Invites User Savings.

#500 of 504 MidCow by backy

Apr 14, 2004 (7:14 am)

Re dissolving OPEC and the return of cheap gas: let us know when you wake up from your dream, OK?
 
Meanwhile, gas price at local stations is $1.90 today--and it's six weeks until Memorial Day.

#501 of 504 there are buyers by nippononly

Apr 14, 2004 (7:19 am)

that are concerned with environmental impact more than just what the gas will cost them. That emissions sticker slapped in the window of a new car that compares it to average cars for its model year is there because of consumer demand. At least in California. Is that a 50-state thing?
 
Look at Honda/Acura - they post a sticker in the window of every car they sell that says 'ULEV' or 'SULEV' or whatever. Their own sticker, which is in addition to the mandatory one. At the Honda dealership, low emissions have always been a selling point.
 
Saw a Dodge truck with the huge 'HEMI' badge on it this morning - man are those ever huge rims on that thing!

#502 of 504 by ateixeira

Apr 14, 2004 (8:07 am)

Ford's even gotten Escape reliability up to "average" per CR. The hybrid might be a hit.
 
-juice

#503 of 504 ateix by wimsey1

Apr 14, 2004 (10:03 am)

Hope the Escape hybrid goes well for Ford also.
They could use a hit.

#504 of 504 Another... by mirth

Apr 14, 2004 (11:10 am)

...Autoextremist article, this on the value of added horsepower:
 
http://www.autoextremist.com/page5.shtml

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