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Apr 13, 2004 (6:23 am)
(481, 482, 484) are getting a little ridiculous!
No-one has anything new to say on the subject, I take it?
robertsmx: with the V-6, the hybrid Accord should be a real humdinger. I just wonder how good the fuel economy could possibly be using that engine.
Apr 13, 2004 (7:39 am)
___I agree with the #xxx … #xxx stuff as well.
___I believe I have posted this in the past but I cannot say much about the fuel economy other then Honda’s own press releases. There is going to be an online chat with the Honda Hybrid and/or advanced fuel engineering group(s) tomorrow at 01:30 PM PST in Honda’s own Owner-link site. I won’t be able to listen in as I won’t be around but I do have a few guys that are going to hopefully copy and past the entire event in another forum. If so, I will repost it back here … And I have read of a guy that actually drove the Accord V6 Hybrid. He said the only way he could tell when the ICE swapped between 3 and 6 cylinders was a light on the dash telling him it did. With Civic type mileage (I hope it is Civic LX w/ a stick type mileage) and the smoothness described by the behind the wheel driver, I can bet it will be something special. I am still hoping for 0 - 60 in 7 or so seconds and Civic type city/hwy mileage … Now if they don’t try and get $30K or more for it This automobile will be the turning point as to when Hybrid’s hit mainstream imho. Well that and maybe the RXh, Highlander, and Escape as well?
___Wayne R. Gerdes
Apr 13, 2004 (7:45 am)
Nippononly - In the Inspire (JDM luxury version of the US Accord), VCM alone made for a 6 mpg gain in the 10-15 cycle. How that translates to the US EPA cycle is anybody's guess, but I think we can expect at least 3-4 mpg overall. Add the IMA to that and we should see an additional increase of 20%. Again, I'm being conservative.
Apr 13, 2004 (8:15 am)
Honda Inspire is currently the premium sedan offering in Japanese market (actually below Legend, but technically more advanced), and uses the first application of variable cylinder management in a Honda V6. The base engine is identical to the 3.0 liter V6 used in the American Accord (runs a slightly higher compression, and pumps 247 HP/218 lb.-ft).
If VCM weren’t refined enough, I doubt Honda would have used it in a luxury sedan offering. And it has been in the market for several months now.
Accord Hybrid will use the same engine. The VCM/V6 should by itself show reasonable mileage improvement on the highway. And as Varmint mentioned earlier, electric motor is really a nice add on when it comes to city driving (something that may or may not be reflected in EPA estimates, given the method of arriving at those numbers). It would be nice for the motor to have idle stop feature when I spend a few minutes at couple lights on my short commute to work. That would certainly help in the overall picture.
And of course, this powerful V6 may actually end up being a PZEV!
Apr 13, 2004 (8:26 am)
that would make it the first PZEV V-6 equipped car! The Escape hybrid will use the 4-cylinder in concert with the electric motor. If the Accord hybrid engine has a higher compression ratio, will one have to buy premium to get the hybrid gas savings?!
xcel: I figure the Accord hybrid will be at least $24K, and I am hoping, not much more.
#490 of 504 Re: robert [nippononly #489]
Apr 13, 2004 (8:59 am)
The regular Accord LX V6 is $24k, and the EX with leather is $27k. I think it unlikely that Honda will be able to sell a hybrid version at $24k. Consider the uptick in price of the HCH compared to the ICE Civic.
Apr 13, 2004 (10:13 am)
I would expect Accord Hybrid to carry a price tag of at least $26K (if based off LXV6) or $28K (if based off EXV6). Not bad IMO considering what it could offer at content and power levels besides everything that is currently expected in a hybrid (improved mileage and reduced emissions).
Apr 13, 2004 (12:39 pm)
Anything starting at $20 grand will feel like an econobox compared to a near-luxury car like a Lexus.
Get in an Echo, though, then climb into the Prius. I'd argue the Prius is closer to your Lexus.
And to be honest the IS is not a good comparator, it's sporty and cramped while the Prius is efficient and airy.
Apr 13, 2004 (12:56 pm)
___Well, the Ford Escape is a true reality … 38 mpg in a brand new unbroken in one by drivers only known for their celebrity through and around Manhattan!
___You can read more about it here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4724092/
___SOB, that mileage and what the territory they drove through is within striking distance of an 04 Prius … The big ticket is that it is also a PZEV. I mean even the Highlander Hybrid won’t be a PZEV!
___Wayne R. Gerdes
#494 of 504 Re: [xcel #493]
Apr 13, 2004 (3:36 pm)
Well, more like striking distance of a Classic Prius--and with the same hybrid technology too! But 38 mpg is a great accomplishment for a SUV, even a small one with a four-banger. That must be double what the regular Escape would do in conditions like that. If Ford can keep the price down, they should sell like hotcakes.