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#55 of 100 Re: Long Term Update from MT [falconone] by gagrice Aug 06, 2005 (10:05 pm)
Replying to: falconone (Aug 06, 2005 7:11 pm) Overall you'll have higher maint costs for the Chevy as they're not as reliable. That is pure bunk. Media hype has brain washed you to believe that kind of crap. I thought the $41 was high for the Chevy. I have never paid over $30 for service at Bob Stall Chevrolet in La Mesa CA. Nissan charged MT $83 for the 7500 mile service and $155 for the 15k mile service. Not my figures they are from the source you wanted to use as reference. Over the 7 years that I owned my last Chevy the Suburban, all I ever did was oil, filters and lube, plus one serpentine belt for $26. Two of the 3 Chevy trucks prior to that gave me NO trouble. I drove both of them back to Alaska and after 2 years sold them for nearly what I paid for them new. I was lucky to get rid of the 1994 Toyota PU truck. I did find a sucker and sold him the headaches. Unless they have improved 100% from 1994 they still build tin junk. It is easy to sell a used Toyota. Proves the power of media hype. The TCO of my Toyota PU truck was thousands more than the Chevy Suburban. The only car that cost me more than that Toyota PU was a Fiat Spyder. Another car my son had to have. So the Toyota was ever so slightly better than a FIAT. I almost forgot. My overall mileage on the GMC hybrid is still at 17 MPG. I have less than 300 miles on it. Mostly trips shorter than 3 miles. Full AC as it is Hot here this week. Replies to this message: falconone (Aug 07, 2005 4:31 am) gagrice (Aug 07, 2005 7:04 am) falconone (Aug 07, 2005 12:00 pm) and 2 more... dewey (Aug 07, 2005 8:31 am) jray4 (Nov 03, 2005 6:44 am) and 1 more...
#56 of 100 Re: Long Term Update from MT [gagrice] by falconone Aug 07, 2005 (4:31 am)
Replying to: gagrice (Aug 06, 2005 10:05 pm) Sorry to burst your bubble, but you're just one in a million. Statistically you'll pay more in maintenance for the Chevy. Just look at CR and peruse the thousands of websites that support what I said. You just got lucky. That is why GM is in the shape it is now. They won't accept the blame that they produce crap so they blame it on heath costs. THAT IS BUNK. Replies to this message: gagrice (Aug 07, 2005 7:04 am) falconone (Aug 07, 2005 12:00 pm) gagrice (Aug 07, 2005 1:28 pm) and 1 more... dewey (Aug 07, 2005 8:31 am) jray4 (Nov 03, 2005 6:44 am) falconone (Nov 03, 2005 8:03 am)
#57 of 100 Re: Long Term Update from MT [falconone] by gagrice Aug 07, 2005 (7:04 am)
Replying to: falconone (Aug 07, 2005 4:31 am) I guess you can believe what you want. Again it proves the masses are being treated like mushrooms. If I had bought one Toyota that was reliable it may give your opinion a point of credence. GM cars may be crap. The last one I owned was a 1948 Cadillac that used oil by the gallon. GM trucks are the best on the planet. Not perfect but better than the rest. You don't get lucky with 5 vehicles, it is a sign of quality engineering and care in manufacturing. Before you throw stones at GMC trucks you should check the complaints on the car you are set on buying. GMC has sold 3 times more trucks this year than Prius has. Yet on the ODI site Prius has more than 10 times the complaints. Not looking good for the 2005 Prius reliability. In spite of that rag CR. When they get their heads out of the sand they will see they gave it a high rating prematurely. incidents of stalling Prius continue with updated computer. The latest if you have not read is the fuel bladder collapses over the sending module causing the car to shut down. They need to go back to the drawing board with their hybrids. Replies to this message: falconone (Aug 07, 2005 12:00 pm) gagrice (Aug 07, 2005 1:28 pm) falconone (Aug 07, 2005 2:52 pm)
#58 of 100 Re: Long Term Update from MT [falconone] by dewey Aug 07, 2005 (8:31 am)
Replying to: falconone (Aug 07, 2005 4:31 am) That is why GM is in the shape it is now. They won't accept the blame that they produce crap so they blame it on heath costs. THAT IS BUNK. Your anger/frustration certainly has no relevance in this forum. GM's financial shape has nothing to do with their impressive line of trucks (inclucing the hybrid Sierra) and everything to do with events that happened a few decades ago: bad union-management negotiations regarding pensions/heatlthcare. Falconone, other than jealousy I dont know what your motivations are? Replies to this message: jray4 (Nov 03, 2005 6:44 am) falconone (Nov 03, 2005 8:03 am)
#59 of 100 Enough by pf_flyer HOST Aug 07, 2005 (9:48 am)
Again, we're getting into the "personal" area here. Let's stop talking baout each other and stick to the vehicle in the topic. If you want to discuss the general health of GM, we have the Can GM survive losing billions in sales and in the Stock Market?? discussion over on News & Views. Let's keep this one focused on the Sierra hybrid.
#60 of 100 Re: Long Term Update from MT [gagrice] by falconone Aug 07, 2005 (12:00 pm)
Replying to: gagrice (Aug 07, 2005 7:04 am) Gary you crack me up. I can assure you that when next year's CR comes out the Prius will trounce any product that comes from GM. I am still on track for buying my 06 Prius. Looks like you spend more time in the hybrid forums than anyplace else. We all know what that means!!! Meanwhile Toyota will be releasing more and more hybrids in the coming years. What does GM come out with? A "hybrid" truck that gets an average of 14.8 MPG. I think THEY need to go back to the drawing board. Replies to this message: gagrice (Aug 07, 2005 1:28 pm) falconone (Aug 07, 2005 2:52 pm)
#61 of 100 Re: Long Term Update from MT [falconone] by gagrice Aug 07, 2005 (1:28 pm)
Replying to: falconone (Aug 07, 2005 12:00 pm) A "hybrid" truck that gets an average of 14.8 MPG. Interesting point. The 2004 Chevy 1500 4X4 Hybrid is rated at a combined 18 MPG. That means MT over the long term is getting 18% below the EPA rating. Just to keep things in perspective that same group of writers that awarded the Prius "Car of the Year" in 2004 are not doing too well with their long term Prius mileage. They are averaging 24% less than EPA rating. Cost of maintenance is higher by far than the Chevy 4X4 hybrid. Prius service $65 every 5k miles. Must be some expensive oil. I hope you will be as happy with your Prius as I am with my GMC hybrid. Of course CR will glorify Toyota. You don't bite the hand that feeds you... Replies to this message: falconone (Aug 07, 2005 2:52 pm)
#62 of 100 Re: Long Term Update from MT [gagrice] by falconone Aug 07, 2005 (2:52 pm)
Replying to: gagrice (Aug 07, 2005 1:28 pm) I guess the editors don't mind getting ripped off for oil changes. My local Toyota dealer charges $19.95 for oil changes. Overall, the maintenance on the Prius will be a hell of a lot less than for your 14 MPG Chevy. Way too many threads on disenchanted owners of GM throwaway cars. Lest you think Toyota is in bed with CR, you better have proof to substantiate your claim. But that's coming from someone who claims Japan is a 3rd world country. No one on the hybrid boards understands you agenda. The fact that you spend more time on the PC than with your family speaks volumes.
#63 of 100 Motor Trend by sinepman Aug 08, 2005 (5:12 am)
They always tend to get less than the average person. I suppose their editors have lead feet. They were not too keen on the auto stop feature either. It probably needs some refining. I don't even see it advertised either. I guess it was another GM flop. Oh well. Replies to this message: gagrice (Aug 08, 2005 7:32 am) molokai (Aug 08, 2005 8:09 am) sinepman (Aug 08, 2005 8:26 am) and 1 more...
#64 of 100 Re: Motor Trend [sinepman] by gagrice Aug 08, 2005 (7:32 am)
Replying to: sinepman (Aug 08, 2005 5:12 am) From what I read they only produced 300 of the Sierra hybrids for non fleet sales. I don't think they are a big seller. Generally the public is not interested in the technology. The Prius is a fluke that caught the attention of Hollywood and then appealed to the techno geek crowd. The auto-stop does take getting used to. It is very nice to sit at a stop light in total silence except for the AC fan. When you let off the brake the engine starts so quietly that you do not hear it if the radio is playing. You have to look at the tach to tell if it is running. I have less than 300 miles on mine so I cannot give any mileage details. The total indicated by the computer is 17.2 MPG. That is on very short trips to the store. Replies to this message: molokai (Aug 08, 2005 8:09 am) sinepman (Aug 08, 2005 8:26 am) falconone (Aug 08, 2005 3:55 pm)