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Re: Want to know positives/negatives of S4 and M3 [sooks]
by m382
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Jan 23, 2006 (9:59 pm)
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Replying to: sooks (Jan 23, 2006 9:51 am)
ok when repyling to peoples messages it's probably best to ask questions first what they meant and get the story straight before you jump to conclusions to prove a case that...quite frankly doesn't exist. cheap horsepower in the context in which I was reffering to is in the fact that yes, although "horsepower is horsepower"....as you say it, but I'm talking ENGINE STAND ALONE....as you may notice I wrote "under-achieving ENGINE" not under-achieving engine AND FORCED INDUCTION...that being said onto my second point...that being your ranting about the car being tuned within an inch of its life...I was reffering to the Audi with "22psi",...and for the record nowhere did I state that the BMW 323 was fast, I have an M3...that doesn't make me a BMW groupie...Oh not to mention the last I checked the Vovlo S60R was "tuned for performance" or at least that's Volvos take...but that's neither here nor there. Fact of the matter is....how many people give a shit either way which car can be "most modded", you tell me how large of the population buys an M3 or S4 so that they can tune them....these aren't cars in NEED of more power, nor are they cheap, these aren't civics...the entire argument on the forum about which car is better is pretty retarded...one's a capable sedan and one's a capable coupe....throw looks out the window because that's subjective...now what you have is "what car does what you need it" and that's how you choose which car is better.....for you that is
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- #213 of 275
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Re: Want to know positives/negatives of S4 and M3 [m382]
by sooks
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Jan 23, 2006 (10:45 pm)
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Replying to: m382 (Jan 23, 2006 9:59 pm)
well ok, i was simply saying what makes a car better becaues it doesnt have a turbo. Or just because it is fast without one it is superior or more efficient or better engineered? Im no way against bmw... i really do love the m3...its a awesome looking car and its engine is undeniably sweet. As far as the cars and the need of more power is irrelevant..your right.. but i was just saying the engine was in no means pushed to its limits.. even at 22 psi, i dont think its at an inch of its life (excluding stock turbos...haha... but that was one of its faults to begin with) but overall it is a dumb argument, they are different cars... s4 is somewhat luxury that has some performance...awd.. 4 doors... m3 is more straight performance... rwd 2 doors
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- #214 of 275
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Re: Want to know positives/negatives of S4 and M3 [sooks]
by m382
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Jan 24, 2006 (8:06 am)
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Replying to: sooks (Jan 23, 2006 10:45 pm)
well put sooks and agreed, arguments like these are fueled by magazines like car and driver that plot 2 cars against eachother that for all intents and purposes....aren't even that similar, and by people who don't know which to get and don't do their own homework so they ask here which is better. What...they're German,...and are upper scale and performance oriented?? I don't really think that makes them THAT alike. Seriously...do you need 4 doors or 2?? Do you need AWD or can you move along without it?? There really isn't even the need for a comparison for the two cars since they had different objectives since their creation. I love the S4...I love audi in general, I just happen to NOT need awd or 4 doors, and lucky for me I happen to love the M3,....worked out for me. Now that that's to rest haha...O, and I have nothing against turbos...I have an 04' STi, I just happen to NOT love how they eat gas, and the lag and extra maintenance that tends to come from a forced induction car. Now adays it's gotten a lot better tho....
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- #215 of 275
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Re: Want to know positives/negatives of S4 and M3 [m382]
by sooks
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Jan 24, 2006 (10:15 am)
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Replying to: m382 (Jan 24, 2006 8:06 am)
agreed m382... i would have loved to get an m3... but for a decent one it was too much money, insurance was much higher (amazing how much 4 doors decreases that!! baffles me) and *supposedly* it snows around here... so i went the awd route.. I love it, unreal power with the modifications. So wait... you have an M and an STi.. I like your style. please get me into your line of work. I drove an 05 STi, it was def. a fun car, but the interior was lacking too much for me. If i had an m3 also... then thats different  . I question your comment about eats gas though... im stage 3 and i get 23-27 mpg... im pretty sure your M doesnt get that actually the b5 s4 was pretty good on gas, its when they switched to the v8 did it suffer.....badly. But you are definately right on the more maintainance part.... but yes theyre making great improvements.
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- #216 of 275
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Re: Want to know positives/negatives of S4 and M3 [sooks]
by m382
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Jan 24, 2006 (12:29 pm)
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Replying to: sooks (Jan 24, 2006 10:15 am)
hi sooks thats awesome, a performance sedan that gets good gas mileage...I certainly don't get that from my STi or M3, I actually have the pleasure of owning a 3ooC SRT-8 which definately doesn't get 23-27 mpg. They all suck on gas lol...the STi is the worst of them all because of the turbo. But that I'm willing to deal with.
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- #217 of 275
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Re: Want to know positives/negatives of S4 and M3 [m382]
by sooks
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Jan 24, 2006 (1:13 pm)
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Replying to: m382 (Jan 24, 2006 12:29 pm)
ok...litereally hire me into whatever you do for a living.. im willing to relocate you got any other cars up your sleeve? what do you do
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- #218 of 275
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Re: Want to know positives/negatives of S4 and M3 [sooks]
by m382
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Jan 24, 2006 (1:57 pm)
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Replying to: sooks (Jan 24, 2006 1:13 pm)
hehe, I happened to fall into the perfect situation, definately a "right place and right time" scenario. I'm a corporate liason, I do a good amount of PR work and have been fortunate enough to have some of these toys. 
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- #219 of 275
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Re: Want to know positives/negatives of S4 and M3 [sooks]
by burningrubber
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Jan 30, 2006 (7:56 pm)
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Replying to: sooks (Jan 23, 2006 9:21 am)
None taken.....I am truly on 22PSI...I will take a picture of my boost gauge and put up a link soon....Its probably I clocked a 4.2-4.3 on a G-Tech Pro...so I just wanted to make a point that S4's are much more upgradable....yes it is possible to get up to 35 PSI, Garret Gt28rs and rebuild with larger compressor upgrade...its pushing way up there....I will post again when I know approx HP... but around 600-750 AWHP with new cams, valve springs, and more...it will be alot of money...I have sponsors, so it shouldn't be that hard...
What is your PSI on your S4 and what stage III did you get (company)??
If your not runnning under my (0-60) then go and get your car tuned....
Check this out not to change the subject but how tuneable turbos are...
826AWHP 42PSI">
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- #220 of 275
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Re: Want to know positives/negatives of S4 and M3 [burningrubber]
by sooks
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Jan 31, 2006 (5:09 pm)
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Replying to: burningrubber (Jan 30, 2006 7:56 pm)
i agree s4's are much more upgradeable... i just find it hard to believe you are pushing that much through stock turbos... they arent that reliable and wont last all that long. also...running 4.2-4.3 is awful quick without a turbo upgrade..what do you have done to it.. the garrett gt28rs is designed for 250-350hp range as ive seen on a couple sites.. im not saying its impossible but unlikly..you need to severely upgrade every internal within the engine. yes, turbos are highly tuneable.. but i personally have never seen an s4 pushing 600 whp... i look on audiworld where there is people all over the world.. and i dont think ive seen one much over 500hp.. as far as mine.. my stage 3 is through mtm.. and was tuned from the sole importer of mtm in the country. Now, ive heard mtm isnt the most aggresive but still is very quick,
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- #221 of 275
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Re: Want to know positives/negatives of S4 and M3 [sooks]
by burningrubber
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Jan 31, 2006 (7:08 pm)
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Replying to: sooks (Jan 31, 2006 5:09 pm)
I have AWE downpipes, UUC exhaust, custom diverter valves, APR stage II ECU 93 oct..stock erased...with my upgrades I added up and its close to 400HP and over 430ft lbs.....
I have done much research as you probably and I have found for a kit from AWE Tuning has the K04 Upgrade Kit for 525HP and 550ft. lbs...w/manifold and all parts $8,400
Its probably not possible to go over 600 w/o nos...the fastest audi runs a 9.930 1/4 mile with GT28rs' and 150HP shot of nos LINK
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