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Re: Want to know positives/negatives of S4 and M3 [m382]
by sooks
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Jan 23, 2006 (9:51 am)
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Replying to: m382 (Jan 23, 2006 8:00 am)
I have to say, that was a very lame argument. What makes "cheap horsepower".. just because it comes from a turbo?? so what.. Horsepower is horsepower, i dont care where it comes from. Why is it underachieving if its using a turbo. I would call it maximizing output. No one is giving credit to volvo's or saab's because they arent tuned for performance... same reason no one is giving a 323i credit for being fast... Those are quite frankly dumb statements. And another thing, audis were by far boosted from an inch of their life.. if anything the b5 (2.7l TT v6) wasnt all that highly tuned stock.. thats why its such a popular modding car, because you can unleash a lot of power from it. The stock turbos and ecu's were restrictive. Now you want to show me where there is much room for modification on an m3.. There is a little, but your not going to find huge gains, and now show me which one is pushed to an inch of its life. But dont get me wrong..i am a big fan of both cars. BMW did make an impressibve engine to be getting that output from an inline6. I have an s4, but if i didnt have to drive in winter i prob woulda gotten an m3 just cause i think its more aggresive looking. My other odd point that i saw a few pages back was that the CR report said that they both hold similar value.. fact is M3 is holding its value better than the b6 (v8) s4.
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- #211 of 275
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Re: Want to know positives/negatives of S4 and M3 [m382]
by rjlaero
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Jan 23, 2006 (11:15 am)
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Replying to: m382 (Jan 23, 2006 8:00 am)
As for Volvo, I drove their 300hp R version and it felt quite "junky" to me. Sweeks, rattles, cheap plastic everywhere. Didn't feel very quick and the engine wheezed like it had asmatha. I can't see paying 45k for this car.
I'd rather have the 255hp Sline 3.2 Quattro over the Volvo 300hp Turbo R anyday. The Volvo isn't anywhere in the same book in terms of fit and finish and overall solid feel.
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- #212 of 275
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Re: Want to know positives/negatives of S4 and M3 [sooks]
by m382
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Jan 23, 2006 (9:59 pm)
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Replying to: sooks (Jan 23, 2006 9:51 am)
ok when repyling to peoples messages it's probably best to ask questions first what they meant and get the story straight before you jump to conclusions to prove a case that...quite frankly doesn't exist. cheap horsepower in the context in which I was reffering to is in the fact that yes, although "horsepower is horsepower"....as you say it, but I'm talking ENGINE STAND ALONE....as you may notice I wrote "under-achieving ENGINE" not under-achieving engine AND FORCED INDUCTION...that being said onto my second point...that being your ranting about the car being tuned within an inch of its life...I was reffering to the Audi with "22psi",...and for the record nowhere did I state that the BMW 323 was fast, I have an M3...that doesn't make me a BMW groupie...Oh not to mention the last I checked the Vovlo S60R was "tuned for performance" or at least that's Volvos take...but that's neither here nor there. Fact of the matter is....how many people give a shit either way which car can be "most modded", you tell me how large of the population buys an M3 or S4 so that they can tune them....these aren't cars in NEED of more power, nor are they cheap, these aren't civics...the entire argument on the forum about which car is better is pretty retarded...one's a capable sedan and one's a capable coupe....throw looks out the window because that's subjective...now what you have is "what car does what you need it" and that's how you choose which car is better.....for you that is
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- #213 of 275
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Re: Want to know positives/negatives of S4 and M3 [m382]
by sooks
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Jan 23, 2006 (10:45 pm)
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Replying to: m382 (Jan 23, 2006 9:59 pm)
well ok, i was simply saying what makes a car better becaues it doesnt have a turbo. Or just because it is fast without one it is superior or more efficient or better engineered? Im no way against bmw... i really do love the m3...its a awesome looking car and its engine is undeniably sweet. As far as the cars and the need of more power is irrelevant..your right.. but i was just saying the engine was in no means pushed to its limits.. even at 22 psi, i dont think its at an inch of its life (excluding stock turbos...haha... but that was one of its faults to begin with) but overall it is a dumb argument, they are different cars... s4 is somewhat luxury that has some performance...awd.. 4 doors... m3 is more straight performance... rwd 2 doors
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- #214 of 275
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Re: Want to know positives/negatives of S4 and M3 [sooks]
by m382
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Jan 24, 2006 (8:06 am)
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Replying to: sooks (Jan 23, 2006 10:45 pm)
well put sooks and agreed, arguments like these are fueled by magazines like car and driver that plot 2 cars against eachother that for all intents and purposes....aren't even that similar, and by people who don't know which to get and don't do their own homework so they ask here which is better. What...they're German,...and are upper scale and performance oriented?? I don't really think that makes them THAT alike. Seriously...do you need 4 doors or 2?? Do you need AWD or can you move along without it?? There really isn't even the need for a comparison for the two cars since they had different objectives since their creation. I love the S4...I love audi in general, I just happen to NOT need awd or 4 doors, and lucky for me I happen to love the M3,....worked out for me. Now that that's to rest haha...O, and I have nothing against turbos...I have an 04' STi, I just happen to NOT love how they eat gas, and the lag and extra maintenance that tends to come from a forced induction car. Now adays it's gotten a lot better tho....
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- #215 of 275
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Re: Want to know positives/negatives of S4 and M3 [m382]
by sooks
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Jan 24, 2006 (10:15 am)
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Replying to: m382 (Jan 24, 2006 8:06 am)
agreed m382... i would have loved to get an m3... but for a decent one it was too much money, insurance was much higher (amazing how much 4 doors decreases that!! baffles me) and *supposedly* it snows around here... so i went the awd route.. I love it, unreal power with the modifications. So wait... you have an M and an STi.. I like your style. please get me into your line of work. I drove an 05 STi, it was def. a fun car, but the interior was lacking too much for me. If i had an m3 also... then thats different  . I question your comment about eats gas though... im stage 3 and i get 23-27 mpg... im pretty sure your M doesnt get that actually the b5 s4 was pretty good on gas, its when they switched to the v8 did it suffer.....badly. But you are definately right on the more maintainance part.... but yes theyre making great improvements.
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- #216 of 275
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Re: Want to know positives/negatives of S4 and M3 [sooks]
by m382
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Jan 24, 2006 (12:29 pm)
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Replying to: sooks (Jan 24, 2006 10:15 am)
hi sooks thats awesome, a performance sedan that gets good gas mileage...I certainly don't get that from my STi or M3, I actually have the pleasure of owning a 3ooC SRT-8 which definately doesn't get 23-27 mpg. They all suck on gas lol...the STi is the worst of them all because of the turbo. But that I'm willing to deal with.
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- #217 of 275
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Re: Want to know positives/negatives of S4 and M3 [m382]
by sooks
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Jan 24, 2006 (1:13 pm)
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Replying to: m382 (Jan 24, 2006 12:29 pm)
ok...litereally hire me into whatever you do for a living.. im willing to relocate you got any other cars up your sleeve? what do you do
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- #218 of 275
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Re: Want to know positives/negatives of S4 and M3 [sooks]
by m382
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Jan 24, 2006 (1:57 pm)
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Replying to: sooks (Jan 24, 2006 1:13 pm)
hehe, I happened to fall into the perfect situation, definately a "right place and right time" scenario. I'm a corporate liason, I do a good amount of PR work and have been fortunate enough to have some of these toys. 
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- #219 of 275
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Re: Want to know positives/negatives of S4 and M3 [sooks]
by burningrubber
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Jan 30, 2006 (7:56 pm)
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Replying to: sooks (Jan 23, 2006 9:21 am)
None taken.....I am truly on 22PSI...I will take a picture of my boost gauge and put up a link soon....Its probably I clocked a 4.2-4.3 on a G-Tech Pro...so I just wanted to make a point that S4's are much more upgradable....yes it is possible to get up to 35 PSI, Garret Gt28rs and rebuild with larger compressor upgrade...its pushing way up there....I will post again when I know approx HP... but around 600-750 AWHP with new cams, valve springs, and more...it will be alot of money...I have sponsors, so it shouldn't be that hard...
What is your PSI on your S4 and what stage III did you get (company)??
If your not runnning under my (0-60) then go and get your car tuned....
Check this out not to change the subject but how tuneable turbos are...
826AWHP 42PSI">
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