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Replying to: munchenturbo1 (Jun 23, 2005 10:34 pm)  If you spend a little time catching up on our discussions, you'll see what I mean. I do need to ask you to keep your posts totally in English, please ... |
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Replying to: jlmagicarethus (Feb 05, 2004 10:24 pm)
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I've got experience, thought different types of experience, in each one so here are some observations, fwiw. I instruct at track events for a number of clubs, and have done quite a few BMW club events. I've driven and ridden in a bunch of M3's on the track, but never on the street. My daily driver is an '01.5 S4, and I've driven a friend's '05 S4 (both 6-speed), but I've never tracked an Audi. They're both great cars, but are at their best doing different things. IMO the M3 is almost certainly the better track car, comparing unmodified cars. (That's assuming a dry track - different story in the wet). Great balance, feedback, high-rpm performance, brakes, it's all there. I prefer the slightly older M3's because the new ones feel - and are - heavier, but they're all a real pleasure on the track. I think the S4 would feel quite heavy on the track, particularly front-heavy, and the front tires and brakes would take a beating. I saw a very fast S4 (V6TT) on the track recently, mostly stock but with stiffer suspension and chip,exhaust, etc., and I'd sure like to drive it some time, but this thread is really about stock cars. On the road the S4 is really amazing, it's hard to imagine anything better. Fast, smooth, responsive, comfortable, superb interior, and all in a car you can drive all day and night through a snowstorm. I've had no problems in New England winters with just all-season tires. So, my verdict, which means absolutely zero by the way, is the S4 for a street car, even in non-snow country, and also the S4 for someone who does an occasional track event. For a real track junkie though I'd have to recommend the M3, provided there's something else to drive when it's slippery out.
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Just a post of a little link for the ESF guy: http://www.jdpower.com/pdf/2005069.pdf This is the 2005 JD Powers Initial Quality Survey. BMW is clearly above Audi. Also making a mental note never to buy a Suzuki. 
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Replying to: 04s4handles (Jun 25, 2005 1:22 am) And uh, what exactly does that mean? I suspect that you are implying that the V8 S4 easily trumps the B5S4....which isn't exactly accurate . The 2.7 Biturbo easily lends itself to performance upgrades that enable it to leave the larger behemoth in its wake. I traded my '01 for an '05 and, while the newer version has many wonderful attributes, I miss the performance of my 2.7T. "i could keep going but i think every1 see's my side"(sic). You do more baseball than college, don't you. |
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Replying to: munchenturbo1 (Jun 23, 2005 10:34 pm) Lexus is also becoming far more competitive- the IS350 is a 315 hp car, and it's not even the M3-fighter. It could probably wipe the G35 across the floor. |
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Replying to: merc1 (Apr 20, 2005 11:50 pm) The only thing that BMW is actually better at is performance- and that's not saying Audis have bad performance. They have great performance and accelaration off the line, with luxury, style, and value to back them up. And, quality is different than reliability. In a test I read today, the magazine said that "the A6 has the highest quality of the bunch". They didn't mean reliability. |
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Replying to: 04s4handles (Jun 25, 2005 1:22 am) And, I love the attention. I got a beautiful Sprint Blue color, and that way almost every luxury car owner knows that it's an S4. A man in a Porsche Cayenne Turbo gave me a thumbs up, a person in an A8L nodded at me, and someone who drove an S4 sedan just smiled at me. And, most people who drive competing companies just look at it. For a while. I can see a tad of jealousy. But, my favorite part so far was when a dark blue M3 Convertible and I were at a stoplight, and I just dusted him. Twice. I'll never get tired of the car, and now I'm hooked on convertibles. After this, I could never go into another A6.
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Replying to: kyfdx (Feb 25, 2005 6:45 pm)
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Replying to: roughtop (Aug 12, 2005 12:20 pm) |
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