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#99 of 174 Re: Maserati Reliability / Depreciation [vk00]
May 18, 2006 (9:56 am)
I am fortunate enough to have a 2006 Quattroporte along with a 2005 Gransport. Both cars are an absolute dream, and I have had no trouble (with the exception of a new battery in the Gransport... covered by the warranty). My neighbor has a New 2006 M5 and I must say it is a beautiful car and it exhibits the same power curve (once you figure out how to put the computer in high power mode) that my 2004 S55 did. As for the interior... well, as nice as his M5 is, I'd take the QP any day!
I almost purchased a Flying Spur, I had my 5k deposit down and everything until I drove the QP... I was sold on the first drive. To me it is (almost) as luxurious as the Flying Spur, but handles so much better there is really no comparison. So I guess my point is that there are trade offs in every car you buy, and it all boils down to what you want in an automobile. By the way, My Gransport will take the M5 off the line every time, (even with his power launch) but he does have the power to blow by me at around 95mph, but then I pass him by like he's standing still when we exceed his speed limiter at 150mph... (the 210 fwy at 6:30 - 7am on a Sunday, during the Highway Patrol's shift change is the place to be) for the most part we were the only cars on the road, until around 7, then I had to back off from 180mph (and still not peaked out) because there were a few too many cars on the road to insure the safety for all concerned.
Resale???? Who knows... Maintenance??? My S55 was the loneliest car I ever had, by that I mean it constantly needed the companionship of its brothers and sisters at the dealership... (Penske Motorcars) Not to mention any names of course...
If you want a rocket ship, buy a Nobel (0 to 60 in 3.2 seconds) If you want the ULTIMATE in Luxury... get a Bentley (Flying Spur or Arnage)... If you want a great compromise between the two, power, handling and luxury... There is only ONE selection in my book... the Quattroporte is phenomenal!
Just my 2 cents...
#100 of 174 Re: Maserati Reliability / Depreciation [jjvince]
May 18, 2006 (2:07 pm)
Two Maseratis in the garage deserves congratulations, not rebuke.
However, I do have to take a little issue with what appears to be overly enthusiastic performance claims. Over the last several weeks, I have driven a variety of cars in order to confirm my decision to order a 2007 997 Turbo. Amoung them, I drove a well broken-in Maserati Gransport extensively. I own a 2003 M5 (the 400 hp weakling, but with the proper 6-speed manual) and have also driven the new M5 with it's 507 hp V10 hooked up to a rather frustrating 7-speed SMG. And I have driven a new 911S extensively.
The following are my opinions: I liked the Gransport more than I expected, it is a very nice car in all regards. But it did not feel nearly as quick "off the line" in my hands as a 911S. The new M5 should be quicker yet, but I would agree, the SMG "launch control" is a mess. On one attempt, it shot forward like a rocket. But for the rest of my driving experience, I wished I could have "shot" the BMW engineer that authored this SMG travesty. My own 2003 M5 6-speed feels about as quick as the Gransport.
Being curious as to how you and I could have such different impressions / experiences, I looked up some road tests to see if I was mis-impressed. It appears not. Here are some results:
Maserati GS: 0-60: 4.9; 0-100: 11.7
BMW M5: 0-60: 4.6; 0-100: 9.8
Porsche 911S: 0-60: 4.2; 0-100: 10.7
My 2003 M5: 0-60: 4.8; 0-100: 11.6 (from Road and Tack)
It is kind of silly debating the relative quickness of cars that are all more than adequately fast, but the above results are pretty close to my own (relative) experience.
The Gransport and AM V8 appear to be destined to a Mexican showdown. Very similar performance, top of the line interiors. Italian vs. English appeal.
#101 of 174 Re: Maserati Reliability / Depreciation [jjvince]
May 18, 2006 (5:46 pm)
You ARE fortunate. There is no doubt providence smiles kindly on many people. While I've owned a number of Porsches and BMW, this was my first venture into the quasi-exotic field. The Q is supposedly being upgraded in 07 with a new transmission and larger clutch.
I am told by a reliable source that the Q's clutch is simply too small for the design of the car. I have just delivered my car to the dealer for the fourth (not yet documented, but I am sure) major service and if my ears heard what I've heard before, still another throw-out bearing and clutch.
Hears how to tell yours might be bad. Face the car up and incline and accelerate (doesn't have to be pedal to the metal) and listen for a rubbing noise an instant before the clutch grabs. If yours has none, you've won the Maserati lottery.
Best of luck. By the way, keep it for a while, trade in will disappoint.
#102 of 174 lease program
Jun 22, 2006 (7:16 pm)
Hi, I am a prospective buyer of Maserati QP and have been doing my usual research and I came across this discussion, which I have found to be very helpful. I do have a question for you gentlemen and/or ladies here. Currently, I see the Maserati manufacturer is running a lease program. In light of the problems, especially with the clutch and bearing of the car, would you suggest that I lease it for now? Any suggestion is welcome.
Also, should I wait for 2007 in hopes that the manufacturer will fit a larger clutch for this car? Plus, I hear that the manufacturer will scrap the manual transmission all together. Is that for fact that they will do that?
#103 of 174 Re: lease program [mickyl]
Jun 23, 2006 (7:57 am)
First off I need to tell you that I am a Salesman for a Ferrari / Maserati dealer which means I am slightly bias.
This is the first we have seen Maserati release a subvented money factor for the QP, this plus the fact they are forcing dealers to discount the car a few thousand is how you get to the lease special. In the past the lease didn't make much sense and most were financed without the dealer having to discount much if any.
If you can live with the 10k per year then I would opt for the lease as I see it as an insurance policy. What I mean by this is that if the car's value is less than the residual at the end of the lease you can turn it in, if the car's value is higher than the residual then you have the option to purchase it and do as you like.
The funny thing is that you get a forced discount with the lease but if you plan to finance or pay cash a dealer would not be so inclined to offer the same discount.
From what I have been told east cost sales have been slightly sluggish and this is why the lease was introduced which in turn is effecting the west coast dealers by forcing them to discount when in the past they typically didn't need to.
You probably will not see the new full automatic until 2008. The 2007 model will only be getting bigger brakes from what I have heard.
If I haven't answered all your questions please ask again.
#104 of 174 Lease Program
Jun 23, 2006 (1:07 pm)
Thanks, PRK, for your detailed explanation. I have told my sales advisor that I am having a civil war raging on internally between my passion for the car and my logical thinking going against it.
I would love to ask you more questions about the quality of the car, which is one of my main concerns. Short of putting you under oath (just kidding), could you tell me what you think of the quality of the car? I have heard so much about the clutch problem, which suggests that it gets blown apart within 10,000 miles? Could you confirm that?
Also, I am currently driving a CLK430 convertible and would like to know if I should trade it in or keep it?
#105 of 174 Re: Lease Program [mickyl]
Jun 23, 2006 (11:55 pm)
After 7 month and 15000 kilometers driving QP no problems and have a lot of fun.
#106 of 174 Re: Lease Program [mickyl]
Jun 24, 2006 (10:53 am)
Sorry to be a spoil sport, but I'd pass for now. After owning two Qs and legnthy discussions with service folks, I am convinced there is a design flaw in the current transmission/engine arrangement. That aside, the technology also lags in this car. The GPS is "ok", but far below that in the other luxury cars. Also there is no blue tooth technology for linking your cell, which is as much an indication as an annoyance.
My second Q has had transmission and computer problems to the point I am seeking a settlement with the company. The dealers are great and passionate about this product. And your instincts are correct, it SHOULD be a car to be passionate about. Unless you have several other cars and can tolerate the disappointment; look elsewhere.
#107 of 174 Lease Program
Jun 24, 2006 (8:37 pm)
Thank you very much, Murray, for your honest and direct opinion. I found your input to be very helpful in my decision of giving up Maserati for now. I will go with MB S550, until such time when Maserati improves its quality. I certainly don't want my passion for a car to erode my demand for quality. I just do not wish to believe that beauty and quality cannot co-exist. Maserati will need to do better or they will be facing the same demise as before.
#108 of 174 Entourage
Jul 03, 2006 (3:51 pm)
This car looked GREAT on Season 2 of "Entourage". Sad to hear that such a beautiful and $100K+ car has so many technology/reliabilty/quality issues.
Best wishes all and Happy 4th!!!