Last post on Oct 04, 2012 at 11:33 PM
You are in the Honda Accord Hybrid
What is this discussion about?
Honda Accord, Hybrid Cars
#3105 of 3601 Re: Accord Hybrid 1080 sold in June... [molokai]
Jul 11, 2005 (1:05 pm)
Dealership apathy did not hurt Toyota with the Prius.
I know this personally. During the summer of 2003 I went to two Toyota dealers and showed interest in the new and upcoming Prius2.
First sales rep told me that my money would be best spent on a Camry vs. a Prius. In fact any Toyota but a Prius was well spent according to the sales rep.
At the second dealership the sales rep told me he thought I was crazy in selling my BMW 3 series for a Prius.
My impression was that a Prius was a car that required little salesmanship!
#3106 of 3601 Re: Accord Hybrid 1080 sold in June... [dewey]
Jul 11, 2005 (1:14 pm)
I am sure Toyota dealers have swayed folks away from the Prius as well. I guess only the well informed are driving the Prius as they know what's best.
Jul 11, 2005 (1:18 pm)
Thanks for that PDF Larsb. I know I'm at leasting partially contributing to a cleaner environment. I love my Prius!
#3108 of 3601 Distorted facts
Jul 11, 2005 (1:32 pm)
The Lifetime pollution figure of the non-hybrid car VASTLY overtakes the hybrid (by about 35% ) when the entire lifetime of the two cars (including recycle) is taken into account.
This is Toyota's own LCA on the Prius vs comparable Non-hybrid. It is very clear the only significant gain is in CO2 and HC over the 150k mile life of the Prius. It never passes the non-hybrid for particulate matter. It is well toward the end of the life cycle when it gains an advantage over the non-hybrid on both SOx & NOx. I don't know what is so hard to accept about this chart it was part of your link to Toyota. Toyota knows the truth that it is a marginal over all gain.
#3109 of 3601 The study is pointing to different data....
Jul 11, 2005 (1:40 pm)
Regardless of how the data is sliced, there is no "significant increase" in pollution during the mfg phase that is not "SWALLOWED UP" by the end of the car's lives.....Which is my point......
There is no huge discrepancy, even by this chart.....
#3110 of 3601 Re: The study is pointing to different data.... [larsb]
Jul 11, 2005 (1:42 pm)
I wonder if there is a chart showing that for the truck Gary just bought. Anyone have any data on that?
#3111 of 3601 Re: The study is pointing to different data.... [larsb]
Jul 11, 2005 (1:50 pm)
That is very true. What started this was comparing the larger hybrids and the difference in emissions associated with their manufacturing process. Does the percentage of gain on fuel consumption make them a cleaner car overall than a non-hybrid SUV? You do not get the percentages with an RX400h that you get with the Prius. In fact there are RH owners that claim they are not getting any better mileage with the hybrid than they did with the RX300 they traded in. Or in a couple cases only 1-2 MPG increase. I'm not the only one here that is skeptical on the value of larger hybrids. I would not have bought mine if it did not have the engine and towing capacity that I was looking for and they knocked off most of the hybrid premium. I like the way the truck shuts down at stop lights. I hope it gets decent mileage. I will keep you all posted.
#3112 of 3601 Re: The study is pointing to different data.... [molokai]
Jul 11, 2005 (1:54 pm)
I would be most interested to see one. I am concerned about the batteries that are only warranted for 3 years 36k miles. There are a few things that have a 8yr 80k mile coverage. Mostly controller modules.
#3113 of 3601 Re: The study is pointing to different data.... [gagrice]
Jul 11, 2005 (2:32 pm)
It is posted here someplace (and confirmed by the service manager at my local dealership) - the batteries are 8/80k as well. You have to look in the warranty book of an Accord hybrid to find the "right" answer