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#1843 of 3591 Re: Some environmentalists prefer [backy] by gagrice Jan 02, 2005 (4:41 pm)
Replying to: backy (Jan 02, 2005 4:01 pm) The Diesel Accord uses a lot less of our fossil fuel resources. Looking at the torque difference, I would say the diesel Accord will outperform the HAH in the more important 50-75 MPH area. It does indeed have a larger engine. Too bad it has a lot less torque.
#1844 of 3591 by xcel Jan 02, 2005 (4:47 pm)
Hi All:   ___I am a proponent of the Euro Accord iCDTi but its emissions will not fly until Honda really performs some magic on its after treatment emissions HW. So what is next? Well the Mercury Meta-One of course!       ___Beside the safety features that make most of our vehicles look like they were designed back in the 1920’s, the real impressive item I have read to date is in regards to the propulsion unit(s) and emissions.   ___It uses a modified ~ 250 HP 2.7 L Diesel as is currently used in the European 206 HP/320 Ft-Lb’s of torque 2005 Jaguar S-Type along with an unknown size/cap Hybrid system to achieve somewhere in the neighborhood of 430 Ft.-Lb’s of torque. 0 - 60 in ~ 6.5 seconds should be the result Along with this monster powerful CI-ICE and Hybrid drive unit under the hood, it is a PZEV! Yes, the world’s first diesel PZEV! I believe it uses a UREA injected SCR-CAT and DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter) to achieve what would be considered impossible in regards to diesel emissions. Ford is working w/ BP on a Biomass derived fuel (probably, Biodiesel ) which in terms of Foreign oil dependence as well as green house gas emissions could make this Automobile the one that kicks the US into high gear as far as a future based on crop production, not oil drilling.   ___Rumor has it that this monster will achieve EPA estimates ~ 30% greater then the Ford Freestyle on which the platform is possibly based? If so, we are looking at one monster fast SUV/Crossover with performance topping just about anything available in the SUV market let alone the fact that it will achieve an estimated 26/35 EPA City/Highway. For many of us Hypermilers, you are looking at a 4,300 - 4,500 # SUV with every safety and amenity bell and whistle imaginable (or unimaginable if you prefer) that should hit 50 mpg out on the highway!   ___Although I suspect it will retail in the neighborhood of $40 - $45,000, this is in line with what many purchase Lexus RX’s and Acura MDX’s for today. Personally, I can’t wait to get rid of the MDX Touring w/ RES for a Meta-One for the increased FE, lower emissions, and hopefully an automobile made here in Chicago … Now it is only up to Ford to leave the exterior design alone (please don’t screw her up but the rear D-Pillar and rear end could use a tiny bit of work), integrate the Safety HW to the Ford owned Volvo standards, and the US as a whole to make Low Sulfur Diesel available today! If Germany is going to run on B30 (Diesel #2 w/ 30% Bio-diesel), the Meta-One may as well also.   ___So what does this have to do with the AH? The Meta-One is larger in every dimension, has far more utility, is ~ as fast, has far lower emissions, will be far safer, all the while achieving possibly close to the AH’s FE. The only problem? About $10K more   ___Good Luck   ___Wayne R. Gerdes Replies to this message: backy (Jan 02, 2005 4:54 pm) gagrice (Jan 02, 2005 8:13 pm)
#1845 of 3591 Re: [xcel] by backy Jan 02, 2005 (4:54 pm)
Replying to: xcel (Jan 02, 2005 4:47 pm) So what does this have to do with the AH?   Absolutely nothing.
#1846 of 3591 Re: [dewey] by falconone Jan 02, 2005 (5:15 pm)
Replying to: dewey (Dec 30, 2004 7:57 pm) Prices WILL go down when more inventories appear. What I am saying is that interest will NOT wane, but continue to increase as more model segments offer hybrid technology. My friend recently put a down payment on a RX400H which I am trying to convince him NOT to buy. He claims he likes the idea of the hybrid technology. Go figure! This particular dealer had 48 people on the waiting list. I told him to buy a RX330 and save 7k over the 400H premium. I'm finally getting through to him. Replies to this message: dewey (Jan 02, 2005 7:47 pm)
#1847 of 3591 Re: [dewey] by falconone Jan 02, 2005 (5:30 pm)
Replying to: dewey (Jan 01, 2005 7:22 pm) BMW cars perfect? LOL!!! Can we say BANGALIZED???? Hope he doesn't take a pen to the MINI. Glad I bought mine before he had a chance to ruin it.
#1848 of 3591 Re: [rlk] MPG [viet] [hondamon] by falconone Jan 02, 2005 (5:32 pm)
Replying to: hondamon (Jan 02, 2005 7:41 am) For the same money (or close to it) you could have purchased an Acura TL and had a bit more luxury. Mileage would have been a little less. Styling goes hands down to the Acura. The Honda is nicer in the 2 door, but the 4 door is for the geriatric crowd.
#1849 of 3591 Re: [falconone] by dewey Jan 02, 2005 (7:47 pm)
Replying to: falconone (Jan 02, 2005 5:15 pm) "48 on a waiting list for the 400h at one particular dealer!"   This is a bubble waiting to explode! And when it explodes prices paid will go down. I heard the MSRP for the RX400h will be 52k---this makes the AH look like a compelling bargain!   BMW the perfect car!I know the imperfections--I own one(but would buy one again even with those Bangle curves) )   My point was once you claim that any car is perfect---you will attract a swarm of critics.
#1850 of 3591 Re: Mercury Meta-One[xcel] by gagrice Jan 02, 2005 (8:13 pm)
Replying to: xcel (Jan 02, 2005 4:47 pm) Thanks for the alternative to the HAH. Sounds like they will have something I can use by the time my Suburban has reached the point of diminishing returns. So far no hybrid that is available or on the horizon has interested me, except maybe the Hybrid Highlander.

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