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Re: [viet] by rlk
Jan 01, 2005 (10:08 pm)
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Replying to: viet (Jan 01, 2005 8:53 pm)

viet, are you driving flat roads, no a/c etc...we have only been getting avg 27mpg so far on our first tank...about 300 miles. then again we are running a/c but otherwise we have been putting around like a grandma in the car and it still is not getting that gas mileage you describe.
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Re: [rlk] MPG by viet
Jan 01, 2005 (10:33 pm)
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Replying to: rlk (Jan 01, 2005 10:08 pm)

Hi Rlk,
 
I got 22.5 - 30+ MPG on my other V6 EX 2002 and it pretty much matches with the MPG indicated on sticker. For the HAH the MPGs are only digital readings for less than half a gas tank. When I finish the first gas tank I will do the manual MPG calculation to compare. Obviously, we do not want the 17 MPG as in the Honda Pilot.
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Re: [rlk] MPG [viet] by hondamon
Jan 02, 2005 (7:41 am)
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Replying to: viet (Jan 01, 2005 10:33 pm)

Hi Viet,
 
Picked up my Desert mist HAH 12/29. I know nothing about Honda autos. I made my decision based on the quality and craftsmanship of my 04' Goldwing. I drive 40,000 miles a year on my job thus the reason for the Hybrid. If this car is half as good as my Goldwing it will be a successful purchase. I considered the Prius and Civic. Because of the amount of time I spend in the car a day the HAH was a must. Nothing against the Civic but need more room and luxury.
 
My first impressions are ditto to yours. My wife picked the color and I'm good with it as I love the interior.
 
I did not get the Nav system as I have a Garmin 2620 I use in my other cars and Goldwing.
 
I have put 160 miles and have observed the mileage to be averaging 22 to 32 depending on highway or city. These are less than accurate as I'm still enamored with the power and torque. As with my Goldwing, I drive it like I stole it. My wife drives it like she stole it and the cops are on her tail. I plan to ease up next week as I return to my sales job and do some serious miles. I have no doubt the MPG will climb considerably as I spend more hours on the freeways and the engine breaks in.
 
It is an obsolete blast to drive, I can't stay out of it, and I feel like Honda had me in mine when they built it. It has the same quality and attention to details as the Goldwing. I have owned some 15 motorcycles and by far the GW is the best one of all. So far the HAH seems to be built the same.
 
I will probably do about 2k this month and will advise on MPG. I have a meetings the end of the month or I would have more miles.
 
I have enjoyed your input and agree with your assessments.
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Re: FM radio interference with electric assist [georgepburdell] by merlin180
Jan 02, 2005 (8:46 am)
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Replying to: georgepburdell (Jan 01, 2005 1:43 pm)

I took a HAH for a test drive a while back - I had the radio on for a while (though can't recall if it was when the IMA was operating). I didn't notice a problem but then I wasn't specifically looking out for it.
 
It would be interesting to know if the problem is the motor creating more electrical noise than it should, or the radio being more sensitive than it should. Does a regular FM radio held near the car show the same problem?
 
Either way, I'd go "talk" to the dealer.
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Re: [rlk] MPG [viet] [hondamon] by viet
Jan 02, 2005 (9:58 am)
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Replying to: hondamon (Jan 02, 2005 7:41 am)

Hi Hondamon:
 
Thank you for your supportive input or somebody might think I work for Honda Marketing Dept. I used to own a small 50c Honda motorcyle back in 1965 (40 years ago). I had to admit Honda superior quality had attracted me since that time. I have never driven the Goldwing but I understand it is the most expensive Honda motorcycle.
 
Similarly to you, my wife picked the HAH's color but when I asked her to drive it home from the dealership on the Xmas Eve. 12/24/04 she got "scared" and did not dare to drive that brand-new "quiet road monster". But she was very pleased with the graphite color (may be it helps showing "some conservative status") and said she will chip in to pay extra $780 for the "forced-to- buy" accessories. The dealership admitted that Honda Inc. wants them to try harder to sell extra parts and accessories. I want to please her and not to make the "color war" with her as every time we buy new cars so I diverted myself to the second dealership while I was driving to the first dealership, 140 miles away from my home, to sign the purchase contract for the desert mist HAH with NAVI. I know I will have to pay everything for the car including the extra accessories but I planned to pick up the new car before Xmas so I had to act immediately.
 
I fully have agreed with you the HAH's quality is an absolute blast as the other Accords/ Honda motorcyles (NOT an "obsolete blast" as you inadvertently put it). I also agree with you that nothing inferior with the HCH but we need more room and luxury. I guess if you get the built-in NAVI. as well you will enjoy it much more because the NAVI. voice controls the audio system including XM, AM, FM radio, CD, heating/ AC systems, defrost, detailed, accurate road map...And it will definitely help you more with your traveling job.
 
My other 200K miles Accord passed the State required smog check easily. So I did not need to test drive the HAH before signing the purchase contract because I know its specifications in and out before it was shipped to San Diego port and was transported to Northern California by truck. It was flawless, so shiny, ready for me in the show room. It was displayed in the show room with a little red Xmas wreath on the hood to show off with customers. I quickly "stole" it and drove it away after 2 hours to complete the purchase. But that afternoon I was so tense while I was driving my brand-new HAH to my home. I knew I made a right decision to buy a HAH as I had been enjoyed very much my tiny 50cc Honda motorcycle I bought 40 years ago.
 
I do not have problem with the electric interference when turning on the FM channel. I must say the HAH's audio system is also a blast. On every new Honda model we can see something innovative, new and exciting such as auto windows roll back like the auto garage door to prevent accidents to kids, auto door lock, front sensor not to deploy airbag to kids under 25 lbs, anchors to keep kids' car seats in the back, digital MPG, name of song/ composer displayed on audio screen, etc.
 
My uncle is going to buy a new Honda Element too. Top Accord wins again and again! Bravo Honda ! Honda/ Acura makes my life a little bit more fun.
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Re: [gagrice] by venus537
Jan 02, 2005 (12:57 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 01, 2005 6:23 pm)

i suggest you look at the torque curves, you don't need to be 2000 rpm higher. the 3.2l maintains it's torque curve at higher rpm and therefore it has the broader torque curve.
 
you should take into account the 5 speed automatic versus GM's 4 speed automatic too.
 
i'm sure TL drivers do rev their engines higher than drivers of GM vehicles but not to maintain the same acceleration but because it puts a smile on their face to do so. the TL is suppose to be somewhat of a sporty sedan afterall!
 
you're comparing a 270 hp engine to a 200 hp so is it fair expect comparable fuel economy? a V6 accord on the other hand does while providing better performance.
 
i prefer a engine with both good torque and horsepower and the honda diesel just doesn't have enough horsepower. for those who put a high priority on gas mileage then the honda diesel does makes sense as long it maintains good emissions. something i believe honda is working on and i don't think we'll see the diesel in our market unless they're successful.
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Re: [venus537] by gagrice
Jan 02, 2005 (1:50 pm)
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Replying to: venus537 (Jan 02, 2005 12:57 pm)

i prefer a engine with both good torque and horsepower and the honda diesel just doesn't have enough horsepower.
 
I can forego a few horsepower for a combined 52.3 mpg plus 251 ft. lbs of torque at 2000 RPM. If Honda brought that Accord to the states. They would have to discount all the other Accords including the HAH to get rid of them. At least in the 45 states under EPA regulations. Just like VW & Mercedes they would sell every diesel they brought into the country, without having to go below MSRP.
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Some environmentalists prefer by gagrice
Jan 02, 2005 (2:07 pm)
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the Accord diesel to the HAH.
 
The outcome: the Accord Diesel (using petroleum diesel) offers the lowest fuel consumption and the lowest CO2 emissions, even surpassing the Accord Hybrid.
 
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2004/12/comparing_accor.html
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Re: Some environmentalists prefer [gagrice] by viet
Jan 02, 2005 (3:26 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 02, 2005 2:07 pm)

I hate the Diesel Benz. The engine is so loud. I hope the Accord diesel is better.
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Re: Some environmentalists prefer [gagrice] by backy
Jan 02, 2005 (4:01 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 02, 2005 2:07 pm)

According to the info in the posted discussion, the HAH has a 36% larger engine than the Accord diesel and is significantly quicker 0-60, but emits only 15% more CO2/km (and less CO2/km than the 4-cylinder gas Accord), and also emits less NOx and particulates than the diesel. Not a bad trade-off.

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