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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 30, 2004 8:58 pm) Alaska and California are notorious for overcharging. ___I don’t know about Alaska but California has had some of the best deals going as of the last 2 - 4 weeks on Accord LX’s, EX’s, EX-L’s, EX-L’s w/ NAVI, and V6’s w/ and w/out NAVI in the country. You bet it is worth the flight and drive back. I would turn the trip out into a mini-vacation in fact. ___Good Luck ___Wayne R. Gerdes
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Replying to: xcel (Dec 30, 2004 9:51 pm) And of course if one wants zero dollar pay out from his tight pocket he can jog fast to work or frog leap to the shopping malls every day to save big bucks.
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Replying to: viet (Dec 30, 2004 10:18 pm) I love the highly sophisticated NAVI., 8 cup holders, 8 airbags, 2 cell phone chargers, 105K miles maintenance schedule, no spare tire, 255HP, 0 to 60 in 6.5 seconds, the decent MPG 30/38 plus, VCM, ICE, auto stop, 3 working engines on highway, and other electronic, electric and mechanical components of the HAH. Timing belt is to be replaced at 105K miles. I always have achieved MPG better than the sticker MPG. ___You can speak plenty of the AH’s amenities but they are no different from the non-hybrid I4 or V6 based Accord’s you could purchase for $8,000 to $10,000 less … except for the less powerful ICE, no TCS, more trunk space, and the powered sunroof of course. The wife test drove an I4 EX-L w/ NAVI yesterday for ~ 12 miles from dead cold with ~ ½ of that city. We ended up her drive at a nice 30.7 mpg parking lot to parking lot in 39 degree F temps. She doesn’t drive anything like I do but she also never needed to floor the I4 on that trip around town or down the State Route highway and back either. See below for more on this … Honda Inc. has been offering 1.9% financing on all Accord models except the HAH (2.9%). It is the best deal ever … And of course if one wants zero dollar pay out from his tight pocket he can jog fast to work or frog leap to the shopping malls every day to save big bucks. ___Non-hybrid based 05 Accord’s of all trims (I4 LX’s through EX-L’s w/ NAVI and V6’s) have been leaving the show rooms of both the East and West Coast Honda dealerships for a best $1,235 under Invoice to a few hundred under Invoice in the last 2 weeks and with the 1.9%. All except the AH which is MSRP or MSRP + still. ___A few items my wife commented on during her test drive was the I4’s lack of or feel of power vs. her much more powerful daily driver, the MDX. I asked her when was the last time she floored the MDX? She said never. I then told her this is a 9.0 second to 60 or less car vs. the 8 second to 60 MDX. She floored it for about 5 seconds and didn’t say another word about its performance. She did comment on the I4’s lack of smoothness when accelerating in comparison to the MDX. She drives with her foot in a continuously non-smooth acceleration/deceleration oscillation which not only drives me batty, it is terrible for FE so if anyone could feel a lack of smoothness, she could  Her other comments and I have to agree are that the interior, sunroof, sunroof trim, and amenities are not nearly as nice as the MDX’s unfortunately. We didn’t have time for her to test drive the V6 but it would not have mattered, a PZEV based I4 Accord EX-L w/ NAVI might land in my garages parking space but it won’t end up in hers. Why didn’t Acura build the TL (TSX is too small) w/ the Accord’s std. I4 and possibly Hybridize it instead? It would make the additional cost easier to swallow as the Acura premiums and more upscale interiors could hide the hybridization up-charge far better imho. ___Good Luck ___Wayne R. Gerdes
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Replying to: xcel (Dec 30, 2004 10:35 pm) The Accord V6 is real smooth. Your wife may want to test drive one to compare with the MDX. I was caught in between the Accord V6 RX regular and the HAH. But I chose to buy the HAH to save some more gas as if I drive the HAH but pay gas for a Civic. Also, the new hybrid technology attracted me so much.
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Replying to: xcel (Dec 30, 2004 10:35 pm) The MSRP of the HAH is only $2,800 something more than the MSRP of the Accord V6 EX. One should be willing to pay a little bit extra for the brand new hot HAH. In this slow economic climate, all other cars are also on big sale. Honda automobiles gets the negative impact.
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Replying to: viet (Dec 30, 2004 11:19 pm) 240 HP in an Accord V6 is really something. 15 extra HP on a HAH is also something more terrific. I shameful admit that I have been so obsessed with Honda's real HP and the awesome response from those big fat V6 engines. However, I have never "floored" my V6s as your wife did it quite a few times while taking chances to get away from the cops.
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Replying to: viet (Dec 30, 2004 11:30 pm) You might consider the following fact as trivial. But HAH's engine and transmission are made in Japan. I notice that Japanese electronic products made in Japan are twice the prices of same products made in other countries. I do hope the HAH is a really solid car. This fact may justify that HAH is not on big sale recently. |
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Replying to: viet (Dec 30, 2004 10:54 pm) The MSRP of the HAH is only $2,800 something more than the MSRP of the Accord V6 EX. One should be willing to pay a little bit extra for the brand new hot HAH. ___You have to look at the Honda Accord - “Prices Paid and Buying Experiences” forum. I think the last 05 Accord EX V6 (non-NAVI) went for < $23,300. This is much less then the $32,500 you had to pay for the AH. However, I have never "floored" my V6s as your wife did it quite a few times while taking chances to get away from the cops. ___What are you talking about? My wife has never floored the MDX and it she has never had to do such a thing to get away from any police officer? The Accord V6 is real smooth. Your wife may want to test drive one to compare with the MDX. ___I am sure the Accord’s V6 is as smooth as the Acura’s 3.5 L V6 but it was the Accord’s lack of amenities as well as a clean and upscale interior that turned her off. She doesn’t like Acura leather as much as Toyota’s, Ford’s, or Lexus’ which is another reason I am looking for a replacement … I like the MDX for many reasons including its size and the > 30 mpg out on the highway when I drive it but it isn’t enough given her terrible 17 mpg average daily commute as of late in the 0 - 15 degree F temps we have had here in the Chicagoland area over the past 3 weeks. The last 3 days not with standing of course  I just don’t know if I can get her into an upscale something else that is a bit more fuel efficient or if it is cost effective given the depreciation just to get into whatever with higher fuel efficiency. Not that I am complaining about the MDX’s resale because it is stupendous by comparison to just about any other automobile but her 17 mpg back and forth pisses me off to no end and even the kids are beginning to get on her about it as well … God Bless them if you know what I mean You might consider the following fact as trivial. But HAH's engine and transmission are made in Japan. I notice that Japanese electronic products made in Japan are twice the prices of same products made in other countries. ___There are many non-hybrid Accord’s that are made in Japan. Any VIN beginning with JH are Japanese made in fact. The glaring item I see in regards to the supposed superiority of Japanese made Honda’s is that the Honda/Acura tranny’s having problems in the past 4 to 5 years were all designed and built in Japan. That takes the glow off of any Honda product(s) made exclusively in Japan imho. ___For me, I have driven enough miles in the Insight to get more then just a feel for Honda’s IMA technology. It doesn’t wow me like some here and thus with a much shorter commute coming, I am not looking at Insight type FE but a more practical local car with luxuries we are used to in my wife’s automobiles. I would love the TL’s interior, exterior, and similar size as that of the Accord but for it to come with Accord’s base I4’s ICE (not souped up and its FE destroyed like that of the TSX) as well as the tires of the std. Accord’s for FE purposes. Even with my wife’s terrible FE skills, the non-setup I4 was giving her 35 to 40 mpg for some portions of her test drive (highway portions) vs. my I4 based Accord test drive (highway portion) yielding 50 + in much warmer temperatures. Neither Acura nor Lexus offer a very fuel efficient but luxurious automobiles to date unfortunately. 45 + is the beginning of what I call fuel efficient and the ES and RXh won’t hit those kind of numbers no matter how I drive it … The RXh might if I drove it around at 33 mph but that isn’t practical in the least ___Good Luck ___Wayne R. Gerdes
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Replying to: xcel (Dec 30, 2004 11:47 pm) You know a lot about Honda automobiles and other cars and I sincerely admire for that. My final word: I am still convinced that I can achieve the MPG of 38 to 40 plus on my HAH on the highway. That was one of my main reasons, on top of other reasons, to buy it. In a few years its price will be saturated and it will be less expensive. Now, for the MDX, TL, Ody, HAH, buyers find tough to negotiate with dealerships to get discounts. I have stayed away from expensive MDX and Acura with low MPG for a long time. Thank you for your feedback.
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Replying to: viet (Dec 31, 2004 12:56 am) You might have made me feel "so stupid, uninformed and ignorant..." not buying an old Accord model. I knew all those big sales on Honda. With out-the-door $28K or less I could buy a nice 2005 EX V6 Accord with NAVI. BUT, it was so difficult to me to resist the temptation to try the new Accord Hybrid technology. |
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