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Re: [backy]
by dewey
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Dec 30, 2004 (8:27 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Dec 30, 2004 8:14 pm)
I have read a few accounts of independents who do not want to touch a hybrid.
Thanks for the info about the NHTSA. I will call them tomorrow and save thousands of lives :b
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Re: [dewey]
by backy
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Dec 30, 2004 (8:33 pm)
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Replying to: dewey (Dec 30, 2004 8:24 pm)
You mean like how the fold-down rear seat in the '99 Ody made all earlier minivans obsolete? Or how the Sienna, and now the new Ody, leapfrogged all prior minivans? How about when the first hybrid minivan shows up in a year or two (most likely the Sienna or Ody)? Yes, the Prius and current HAH will be leapfrogged by newer and better cars eventually--the four-to-six year replacement cycle of automakers guarantees that. In a few years we'll have the Prius 3 and the HAH 2 and other hybrids. Meanwhile, people who buy those cars today can enjoy the benefits now and as long as they own their cars. Cars are a depreciating asset, not an investment.
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Re: [backy]
by gagrice
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Dec 30, 2004 (8:40 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Dec 30, 2004 8:10 pm)
Buyers are paying top dollar for the '05 Odyssey now, too.
The Odyssey prices paid is a very busy thread. Seems you can get real good deals on the EX with leather. That would be a good way to try out Honda's VCM. Several bought at just over Invoice. That is where a person should buy any vehicle, or walk out of the dealership.
obrien040362, "Honda Odyssey: Prices Paid & Buying Experience" #7768, 29 Dec 2004 11:51 pm
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Re: [gagrice]
by backy
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Dec 30, 2004 (8:46 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 30, 2004 8:40 pm)
It depends on how badly you want the car now. If you expect to pay just over invoice, you won't be buying a car like a HAH, Prius, Mini Cooper, or--in most cities, like mine--an Ody anytime soon.
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Re: [backy]
by dewey
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Dec 30, 2004 (8:50 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Dec 30, 2004 8:33 pm)
Despite your argument above, I find it quite unconvincing that minivan technology is leapfrogging as fast as hybrid technology!
Bingo! You are correct about hybrid minivans representing radical change. Your argument confirms my argument about hybrid technology.
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Re: [backy]
by gagrice
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Dec 30, 2004 (8:58 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Dec 30, 2004 8:46 pm)
It is worth a plane ticket to save a few thousand dollars, at least to me. I have not bought more than 2 new vehicles close to home. I will not be ripped by a local dealer just to stay close. Alaska and California are notorious for overcharging. Many out of state dealers are happy to pick you up at the airport to sell a new car. I've done it dozens of times.
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Re: [dewey]
by backy
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Dec 30, 2004 (8:58 pm)
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Replying to: dewey (Dec 30, 2004 8:50 pm)
Uhmm, I don't see that, but if it makes you happy then that's a good thing.
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Re: [gagrice]
by backy
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Dec 30, 2004 (9:04 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 30, 2004 8:58 pm)
You haven't bought more than 2 new vehicles close to home? When was the last time you bought a new vehicle, period?  Whenever you talk about your cars, it's about the 1990 Lexus and the old Suburban and the old Mazda 626.
I would fly to get a good deal on a car too, if necessary. Fortunately I've been able to get good deals on the cars I've purchased close to home. I just haven't purchased a really "hot" car like the HAH before. Closest I came was the '04 Prius I ordered, but I got $500 off list on that in November '03, so I didn't think that was unreasonable given the popularity of the car.
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Last vehicle I bought was [backy]
by gagrice
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Dec 30, 2004 (9:20 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Dec 30, 2004 9:04 pm)
1998 in Idaho, when I bought the 1999 Suburban. I don't wear them out that fast anymore. I use to get a new car every 3 years and realized what a fool I was. My current wife owns the 1990 Lexus and Mazda 626. She is much more conservative than I am. People that waste money buying every new model that comes out don't have much to show for their foolish spending habits. I would rather buy property in CA, Hawaii, AK & even Long Prairie MN.
PS
I bought my first new vehicle in 1964, A Toyota Land Cruiser for $2400 here in San Diego. The only Japanese car I still wish I had.
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Re: Last vehicle I bought was [gagrice]
by viet
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Dec 30, 2004 (9:44 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 30, 2004 9:20 pm)
I am very doubtful that Mr. Gagrice can buy a HAH at a price which is less than MSRP for now.
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