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Replying to: ktnr (Dec 29, 2004 6:29 pm) a serious answer to your question is that the lifespan of batteries and its replacement costs are an unknown? Long term resale value is just as unknown (will they depreciate as non-hybrid Hondas). Yes, there are stats on the hybrid civic, but these I would not call long term. Also resale values of all hybrids will be currently high--due to hybrids being the latest and greatest thing. In future years, the novelty of hybrids will fade and so will the resale values. When you buy an HAH, you buy much more uncertainty and potential expenses than a regular car. Also if you keep the car long-term do you really want to have it serviced always at Honda dealers. I tend to flee from dealerships after warranty and seek independents(you do not have that choice with a hybrid).
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Replying to: dewey (Dec 30, 2004 5:10 pm) I accept that as an opinion, but why should resale values fade in the future? Automakers are gearing up to build many more hybrid models in the next few years. With worldwide demand for oil increasing (a fact), long-term gas prices are not likely to decrease. Cars that use less gas should remain popular. As for servicing, noted car experts Click & Clack have stated that there is little on a hybrid that cannot be serviced by a competent mechanic. They don't even think the regenerative brakes on hybrids are that special, service-wise. Sure, if there's a problem with the hybrid powertrain you'll want to take the car to the dealer. But for routine service, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to use a competent independent. |
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Replying to: dewey (Dec 30, 2004 5:10 pm)
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Replying to: falconone (Dec 30, 2004 6:18 pm) Today, I drove my Accord 95 EX I4 to go to the movie with my out-state brother. That old Accord has been extremely dependent and loyal to me for so many years. Its color is fading a little bit but the it shows real strength and solidity with original engine, original transmission, leather seats and all other original components except the battery. Even the lights are original. It produces the strongest power of 145HP and its MPG is same like day one. That is one of the main reasons I trust and stick with Honda. I will begin my extensive research and comparison again in my next car purchase but I doubt that the other auto makers can easily beat Honda in producing powerful cars with great MPG, durability, comfort, reliability, creativity, innovation and Honda's competent leadership in automotive technology. I love the "VROOOOOM" of my regular V6 and the V6 hybrid any time I start up those powerful engines. My HAH digital MPG is always 30. Will track and calculate manual MPG. To me, sometimes happiness may be just a few short hours sitting behind the wheels of my top Accords, the reliable, powerful and quiet "driving machines" to drive around running errands or do something. Today, I drove my old Accord with no NAVI. and I did get lost a little bit in the neighborhood towns. With my HAH's sophisticated NAVI. I have had no single chance to get lost. It is really my pure simple "hi tech" happiness. With my cell phone and the HAH I can drive anywhere until the..."Big MAMA" calls me home for...dinners. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 29, 2004 12:11 pm) The HAH uses a three liter motor at 240 hp. The net effect of the electric motor is 15 hp. The manin effect of VCM is to improve highway mileage by shutting down 3 cylinders and it does not add horsepower. Happy New Year, MidCow |
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falconne, As there are more hybrids on the road, the novelty and uniqueness of hybrids will diminish. This is what happens to any new technology. The premium price of hybrids today do not only reflect gas savings or a desire to be more green, but mainly the urge to own the latest and newest technology. Nobody in this forum can justify buying a hybrid merely on gas savings unless they drive more than double of what the average owner drives annually. The only justification for the premium paid for hybrids is the fact that there is a limited supply of hybrids. Once the supply of hybrids increases, the novelty and uniqueness of these vehicles will decrease and prices will go down. Who will pay a premium prices above gas savings---once hybrid technology become as common as automatic transmissions?
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backy, "little on a hybrid that cannot be serviced by a competent mechanic." Assuming a competent independent mechanic services your car. Unfortunately there are quite a few mechanics who are incompetent and may share the same electrocuted fate as those awaiting death row.
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Replying to: dewey (Dec 30, 2004 7:57 pm) What will happen with the HAH, I think, is what happens with most new models after they have been out for awhile: discounts will start to appear in time. So the $3000 or so "hybrid premium" for the HAH will become just that, and not more based on hyper market demand for the HAH compared to other Accords. This is not a hybrid phenomenon but a market phenomenon. Buyers are paying top dollar for the '05 Odyssey now, too. But in a year or two discounts will return, just as they did when the newness of the last-gen Ody wore off. Thus people who buy the HAH now will pay a huge premium for that privilege, just as people who have to have a new Ody today will pay more than people who buy one a year or two from now.
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Replying to: dewey (Dec 30, 2004 8:05 pm) Are you saying a competent mechanic will be electrocuted doing routine maintenance on an HAH? Things like oil changes, brake checks, coolant flushes, tranny flushes, tire rotations? If so, perhaps you should report that safety hazard immediately to the NHTSA so they can initiate a recall action on the HAH. Do you know what the service schedule for the HAH is? Do you know which service items cannot be handled by a competent mechanic?
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Replying to: backy (Dec 30, 2004 8:10 pm) BUT there is one big difference. The potential technology improvements in future hybrids may be more rapid than the odyssey. In a few years the Prius 2 and the current HAH could be as obsolete as a Pentium 1 is today. I dont see such radical changes in the market for minivans(odyssey). And the more radically technology changes, the bigger effect it will have on future prices.
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