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#605 of 875 Titan Reliability
Mar 12, 2007 (7:55 pm)
When I heard that Nissan was building a new full sized truck in a new factory with new workers I knew it would take a few years to get the thing right. So, I was surprised when my recent issue of Consumer's Report arrived and it showed the Nissan is still, thru 2006, the most unreliable full sized truck on the market. CR reported that over half the owners of 2004 Titans reported brake problems and that almost half of those reporting in 2005 had brake problems. My dealer claims that "the real" fix on the brakes occurred in late 2005. Well, those people who own 2006 Titans also reported enough brake problems for CR to give brakes their worst reliability rating.
Being a person very interested in buying a Titan, this makes me really gun shy. I'm really not sure if the differential and brake problems have been fixed properly even yet. It is really a shame that such a good truck has to be plagued by these major problems that Nissan has not been able to really fix. If people are having all these problems with this truck at these low miles, what is going to happen when these trucks get over a 100,000 miles. A truck if given good service should be reliable to between 150,000 miles and 200,000. I've had several that were good and several that were trouble. These Titans sure got off on the wrong foot reliability wise. I will say this that according to the reliability charts that Nissan products are some of the most unreliable vehicles for the first 3 three years of ownership but after that they vastly improve to where only the Honda and Toyota show better reliability from the 3 to 10 year period. What is disappointing about Nissan is that haven't come out publicly at said that "this is the problems with our trucks and this is what we are going to do about it." When GM was having all kind of problems with their Duramax injectors, GM stepped up and said they would warranty the injectors for 200,000 miles. Now that is the way a company should treat it's customers. It's just good business to create good will among your customers.
#606 of 875 Re: Titan Reliability [rengaw]
Mar 12, 2007 (8:37 pm)
I got about $3,000 off on my 04 Armada due to the possibility that there would be brake issues. The way I looked at it, as an absolutely worst case I could get aftermarket calipers and rotors for well under $3k and fix any issues related to the brakes. Luckily for me they fixed mine at 3k and at 38k no issues have come back yet.
#607 of 875 Re: Titan Reliability [paisan]
Mar 12, 2007 (8:39 pm)
Or just run off a cliff, and then you wouldn't have to worry about it? But you saved $3000 on a defective vehicle.
#608 of 875 Re: Titan Reliability [razorthunder]
Mar 12, 2007 (8:43 pm)
The brakes don't fail, they get juddery, as a race car driver on the road I leave plenty of room for failures of systems. Like I said if they got juddery and couldn't be fixed, putting in aftermarket calipers and rotors are way way less than $3k, more along the lines of $1k so I'd still be $2k ahead of the game.
#609 of 875 Re: Titan Reliability [paisan]
Mar 12, 2007 (8:56 pm)
Its ok, you don't understand the reality of the brake problem or even how brakes work. But you saved $3000.00. Nissan sent out 1 recall and 4 Technical Service Bulltins, and still didn't fix the problem. You know why? Because brake judder is a hugh defect that occurs because brakes work off kinetic energy increasing with the square of the velocity (E = ½m·v2 relationship). This means that if the speed of a vehicle doubles, it has four times as much energy. The brakes must therefore dissipate four times as much energy to stop it and consequently the braking distance is four times as long. Uneven wear or warping won't been solved by simply replacing the calipers and rotors. But just think of that $3000 your saving when your vehicle is shaking so violently that you lose control, and your slamming into that family sedan because your brakes did not produce enough heat and friction to stop in a timely matter because of a hugh design flaw. Nissan should put that in their ADs.
#610 of 875 Re: Titan Reliability [razorthunder]
Mar 12, 2007 (9:07 pm)
I've installed more brakes (Upwards of 500+ cars) and I know how brakes work very well. The brake judder doesn't happen suddenly, it happens progressively, so when it STARTS to have the sign of judder you then start looking for either a Nissan fix or your own fix. I know brakes work trust me.
#611 of 875 Re: Titan Reliability [paisan]
Mar 12, 2007 (9:14 pm)
Let me get out my duct tape, so I can save more money on my defective braking systems. Right, Mike? Because its all about that bottomline, you cares about the risk, and properly engineering effective brakes (size, materials, functioning) in the first place. Just put a band-aid on them and pocket $3000. Great philosophy, Mike.
#612 of 875 Re: Titan Reliability [razorthunder]
Mar 12, 2007 (9:21 pm)
Band-aid? Hmm I guess you never looked at my profile, I've installed, engineered and done extensive brake testing on race cars. A properly upgraded 4 or 6 pot system with larger rotors on the Titan or Armada can be had for between $1000-2000 along with upgraded pads. I wouldn't call that a band-aid fix at all. Do your homework before you attack my character and what I consider a "fix".
#614 of 875 Re: Titan Reliability [paisan]
Mar 12, 2007 (9:30 pm)
Yep, band-aid fix because you would already be addressing symptoms versus underlining issues. Because you stated replacing calipers and rotors, in many of the Nissan brake problems does not solve the problem. It just quickly addresses the symptoms, and sends the customers on their way, thinking their problem is solved, only to return with the same problem. And for example a common underlining cause to brake judder is axle alignment. But you can't honestly beleive that Nissan corrects that defect, they patch your problem, get you out of the warranty period, so you can spend money later to get that problem fixed.