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You are in the Honda Ridgeline
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Honda Ridgeline, Truck, SUV
#2176 of 2746 Re: Just for kicks... [ryanbab]
Jan 16, 2006 (11:38 am)
You know, you can configure these trucks any way you want to make the numbers say what you want them to say. Here's one:
2006 Honda Ridgeline RTL (3.5L 6 cyl/5A)
255 hp/252 ft-lbs torque 4500 RPM
Max Payload: 1554 lbs
Max Towing: 5000 lbs
2006 Silverado LT 4dr Crew Cab 5.8 ft SB (5.3L 8cyl/4A)
295 hp/335 ft-lbs torque 4000 RPM
Max Payload: 1913 lbs
Max Towing: 7700 lbs
2006 F-150 Lariat SuperCrew 5.5 ft SB (5.4L 8cyl/4A)
300 hp/365 ft-lbs torque 3750 RPM
Max Payload: 1710 lbs
Max Towing: 8500 lbs
(source: edmunds.com comparison feature)
The payload and towing possibilities can go on and on. I did not look at 4WD trucks for two reasons. One, because the RL is not 4WD, it is AWD. There is a big difference between the two. Two, you would only tow in 4WD if you were pulling a boat out of the water or something heavy up a hill. Not for towing a trailer down the highway.
#2177 of 2746 Re: Just for kicks... [varmint]
Jan 16, 2006 (11:41 am)
"I checked the F-150 and even with the 5.4L its payload is lower than the Ridgeline."
Don't you just hate it when the facts get in the way of a good story?
#2178 of 2746 Re: Just for kicks... [uga91]
Jan 16, 2006 (12:15 pm)
One, because the RL is not 4WD, it is AWD.
Oh really? Tell that to Toyota. They market their Highlander (AWD) as 4WD, same with the RAV4. Honda markets the CRV, Pilot and Ridgeline (AWD) as 4WD. Subaru used to market their AWD as 4WD.
Yeah, yeah, I know they don't have a low range, or a dedicated part-time 4WD mode—but still all 4 wheels are being powered, and is therefore 4WD (or AWD if you please).
4WD and AWD are nothing more than "marketing" terms, and each manufacturer uses either term depending on the kind of image they want to evoke.
Let me ask you this: Is the full-time AWD found on the GMC Denali and Caddy Escalade not 4WD? It's on a full-size truck platform, and powers all 4 wheels all the time, but it doesn't have a low range.
#2179 of 2746 Re: Just for kicks... [rsholland]
Jan 16, 2006 (4:54 pm)
how does toyota 'market' their pickup trucks?
IMO. they are 4wd. highlander, etc, are awd.
there is a difference between 4wd and awd.
explorers were available in awd OR 4wd versions. seperate models.
#2180 of 2746 From the peanut gallery
Jan 16, 2006 (5:54 pm)
I must say to the Honda folks that if you just ignored all the comments from the 'Merican truck owners they might actually go away and play on their own forum.
Keep in mind that I own 2 Hondas, a CR-V and an Ody, but I would love to have a Ridgeline. They are cool trucks. I have been very impressed with the 3 Honda cars and 7 different Honda motorcycles I have owned. They have all been great. The Ridgeline trunk in my opinion is very cool and smart. The areas that concern me about the Ridgeline is the styling, both interior and exterior, and the way the bed scratches up so easily. I have test driven 2 or 3 and looked at at least a hundred of them, and the bed gets really scuffed up. I would get a Rhino spray in liner even with the composite bed, just for the aesthetics if nothing else.
I have also owned 4 Fords: 2 pickups, both Supercabs, one 4WD and one 2WD, an AWD V-8 Explorer and even an Aerostar minivan. All of those Fords were great vehicles. I can't say they were completely trouble free, but everything was taken care of under warranty and in a reasonable amount of time and that is all I feel you can ask for. You can say that I am a Ford fan as well (just ask my kids, they know that our family "hates Chevys".
Before I bought my 06 CR-V I test drove the new Explorer, the new F-150, Escape, the Ridgeline and Pilot too. They are all nice vehicles meant to be just right for somebody. I honestly think Ford went way in the wrong direction on their new interiors in the F150 and the Explorer, but I don't bash people who buy them. If you like it and the vehicle fits YOUR needs, go for it.
To argue about whose truck is better objectively is pretty amusing to watch from the sidelines but I doubt anybody is going to change any minds in this venue.
Ok, back to your regularly scheduled programming.
#2181 of 2746 Re: Just for kicks... [explorerx4]
Jan 16, 2006 (9:14 pm)
IMO. they are 4wd. highlander, etc, are awd.
Maybe in your opinion they're AWD, but Toyota puts a "4WD" badge on them, and refers to their drive system in all their marketing a "4WD."
My point is that any vehicle in which all 4 wheels are powered is 4WD. Yes, the term "4WD" is often referred to rugged, truck-based vehicles, whereas "AWD" is mostly meant for on-road vehicles—but regardless—they're all "4WD."
As I said before, it's nothing more than a MARKETING game.
#2182 of 2746 Re: Just for kicks... [rsholland]
Jan 17, 2006 (4:35 am)
"Maybe in your opinion they're AWD, but Toyota puts a "4WD" badge on them, and refers to their drive system in all their marketing a "4WD.""
The Sienna & Highlander are AWD. The Rav4, 4Runner and all the trucks are 4WD. The two systems are different, especially if they need to be towed, both are appropriately badged.
I was flipping through brochures in a dealership just last week and this was very apparent.
#2183 of 2746 Re: Just for kicks... [wooddorker]
Jan 17, 2006 (6:03 am)
Go look at the back of the RAV4 and Highlander and see what kind of badge Toyota sticks on them (hint: it isn't "AWD").
Next time don't "flip" through those brochures. Read them instead and you will not see the term AWD used, but you will see 4WD used.
#2184 of 2746 Re: Just for kicks... [rsholland]
Jan 17, 2006 (7:41 am)
My mistake on the Highlander.
Since you're the reading expert, I would have thought you would notice that I mentioned the Rav4 was badged and advertised as 4WD.
I noticed you left out the AWD Sienna?
#2185 of 2746 Re: Just for kicks... [rsholland]
Jan 17, 2006 (8:01 am)
"Is the full-time AWD found on the GMC Denali and Caddy Escalade not 4WD? It's on a full-size truck platform, and powers all 4 wheels all the time, but it doesn't have a low range."
Hey, Bob, those AWD SUVs are not 4WD. There is a difference. Four wheel drive is usually selected for a certain situation and then you put it back in RWD. It is a more "rugged" application. AWD is more of a way to maintain traction in the rain. Let me ask you, would you rather deliver medicine across the Sahara or up the side of a mountain in an AWD Highlander, Ridgeline, Forester or Escalade or in a 4WD F-150, Suburban or Land Rover? Of course you would choose 4WD.
Many AWD systems do not give the same power to all wheels like 4WD does. 4WD offers high and low range options. Some AWD systems like on Honda CR-V and Saturn VUE really run FWD 99% of the time. It's only when the front wheels lose traction that the rear wheels kick in--and then turn right back off when traction is restored. Some are full time--like on Subarus. There is a difference--and it's not just because Honda uses AWD.