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#341 of 380 Re: 2008 Mark LT [gregg_vw]
Sep 22, 2008 (3:19 pm)
Ok, you sound like a politian ! You are not making sense. All shares in the American auto industry are down today because of our Democratic Congress refusing to vote for more oil drilling. This in turn hurts the car industry and the American economy. Lincoln is in the expansion mode, have you heard of their new models being marketed ? Do you own an LT ? Have you driven an LT ? Can you afford the LT? If not you cannot make an assessment on the LT. You need to give and opinion on this matter that makes sense.
#342 of 380 Re: 2008 Mark LT [asaro]
Sep 22, 2008 (4:02 pm)
Not to get into a flame war with you or anything, but you dear man, are making no sense, though you do spout some mindless propaganda. American companies have been losing market share for years because, other than pickups and large SUVs, the Japanese and Koreans have been building better vehicles. Now, GM and Ford are truly scrambling, having lost their esteemed 1 -2 positions to Toyota. Both companies still build great trucks, but now there are world-class cars as well, whether you are talking the Cadillac CTS, the Malibu or the coming Ford Fiesta.
I already told you that I have driven the LT (and high end F150s) and though I can afford any Lincoln built, I have no interest in owning an F150 with a bit of lipstick and a Lincoln name for that much extra money. If you were truly familiar with how good the F150 is in many ways, you would realize that the LT uses the same body, same interior, exact same engine and transmission, exact same dimensions, and the same quiet steel that you like so well in the LT. Compare apples to apples. F150 comes in lower end and work truck models. Compare the LT to the loaded F150 with the same 5.4 Ford V8 and comparable equipment.
I wager I know more about Lincoln than you, having had a soft spot for the brand since I was a kid...and that was a long, long time ago. The MKZ has not met sales expectations. The MKS is not selling nearly as well as the LS did when it was introduced. The LT is cancelled after this year, and contrary to your claim of a one year hiatus, no insider that I know has stated there will be a replacement. The LT, as expensive as it was, did not offer things that economy cars are offering now, like side airbags and stability control. Sales of the LT have been very disappointing for Lincoln.
The MKT will be here next year, but it is a three row CUV built off the Flex chassis. I am rooting for it, but I had hoped the Flex would do better than it is doing. I like that the MKT shares nothing obvious with the Flex, and maybe the new Lincoln styling will work better for it than the boxy Land Rover look of the Flex has worked for it. The MKR (badly needed) is years off yet (if they made the MKR, I would buy it). Far off as well is a full but badly needed redesign of he Navigator. This last iteration has stumbled badly in the marketplace, especially compared to the Escalade. The Town Car is now fleet only, and hasn't been updated in so long that it is an embarrassment, except for those livery jobs it does so well.
You keep saying Lincoln is in an expansion mode. Well, of course it is, but sales still don't reflect that very much. Before Mulally, it looked like Bill Ford was trying to kill it. Lincoln almost overtook Cadillac in the late 90s, one year even selling more vehicles than Cadillac did. Then old Bill decided Lincoln didn't even have the image to be in the now defunct Premier Auto Group (PAG). The wonderful LS was given a death sentence and the Lincoln Continental concept was killed (along with the Marks 9 and 10 concepts, and the innovative NaviCross that I believe could have really made a splash in the market).
Ford doesn't have the bucks right now to feed Lincoln like it really needs. Cadillac has three times as many new models coming or planned. I hope Lincoln makes it, and there is certainly nothing wrong with Lincoln having defenders like yourself. But informed admirers would be even better. Lincoln needs world class products and the resulting world class admirers that stellar product brings with it. The meltdown of the pigs in the housing and finance arenas will not help Lincoln rebuild.
Enjoy your LT and enjoy its scarcity as well. But please don't get all arrogant because most other people have chosen to buy something else. The Blackwood, as badly as that sold (largely due to no 4WD offering and the covered trunk with no option of a regular bed), at least had its own Lincoln styling, borrowed from the Navigator. Like it or not, the LT is an F150, with some trim variations, built on the same assembly line as the F150. Most people on doing the comparison found there was no reason the pay the extra bucks for such obvious badge engineering.
Have a nice day tomorrow.
#343 of 380 Re: 2008 Mark LT [gregg_vw]
Sep 23, 2008 (7:42 pm)
First, let me say this your information is not correct ! The F150 and the LT are two different animals. The evidence is in the specs ! READ ! All through the powertrain of the LT is widely different from the F150. That is why it is a Lincoln ride! The proof again is in the specs, and you need to read automotive books from Lincoln and The Ford Motor Company ! Again the Lincoln LT and the F-150 are different animals. I rode in many F150's and the ride is not there at all ! The LT is sound proof, has superior suspension quality, and all preium motor parts apart from the Ford F150. Interior quality the LT has cannot compare with the F150, it is all luxury. My friend, Motor Trend magazine and Consumer Reports disagree with you 100%. So you going to tell me that information provided by the Ford Motor Company, Lincoln, Motor Trent, and Consumer Reports are not correct ?
Now, the Democrats and Liberals are responsible for the shape our car industry is in ! They are against drilling for oil which put us in a position we are in with high gas prices. So in turn our trucking industry suffers, and our automotive industry suffers. Also who has proven that foreign cars are superior to AMERICAN AUTOMOBILES ? What data supports that ? I traveled to foreign countries and guess what ! People love American cars and buy them overseas.
And another thing while I am at it, the Democrats and the Liberals are responsible for the current economic crisis ! They past something called the Community Reinvestment Act in 1977, making it law that banks give loans to PEOPLE that are bad risk. Now we have this mess !
You need to talk up American business and the American way of life because we have the best Country in the World ! Do your homework and figure out the difference between the Lincoln LT and Ford F150. It's not the so called badge you called it. Why would you think a luxury F150 would sell rather than a Lincoln LT? Why would people would flock to buy a F150 at $46,000. The luxury truck is the LT, Ford will not outsell the LT. Please sir, do your homework! Sir, in New Orleans we have it all together ! You need to go to the French Quarter and drink heavily and clear your mind. Have a great day !
#344 of 380 Re: 2008 Mark LT [asaro]
Sep 24, 2008 (5:23 am)
You are very, very deluded for such a nice guy. Fortunately, this is not something that matters.
If you were informed as you claim and if you paid real attention to the details, you would not be claiming so many things that are simply not true. In fact, more people buy the upper end F150s (which can cost $46K) than ever bought the Lincoln F150 (which DOES have the exact same engine, hp, transmission, switchgear, etc.). Keep asserting your delusion that it is different. At least you will believe it.
Furthermore, to counter your wild claim that people will not buy an expensive F150, Ford has found few buyers for the ersatz Lincoln pickup, but the King Ranch F150 has done just fine, as expensive as it is. Thus, the Lincoln truck is cancelled and Ford has added another luxury F150, the Platinum edition, for 2009. It starts in the 40K range and can easily go well into the 50K price range. I know that probably raises your blood pressure some more, but that is the way it is.
#345 of 380 Re: 2008 Mark LT [asaro]
Sep 24, 2008 (7:29 am)
You need to go to the French Quarter and drink heavily
I love New Orleans and I will take your advice the next time I am there. By the way, was it after taking your own advice that you concluded that the LT has superior suspension quality and premium motor parts compared to an F150?
#346 of 380 Re: 2008 Mark LT [asaro]
Sep 24, 2008 (8:22 am)
BTW, I do hope to drink heavily in NO after the Feb 1 marathon.
I note this from right here on Edmunds:
The Lincoln offers a lot of luxury for the money, but it doesn't take much scrutiny to realize that the LT has but one degree of separation from the F-150. Disappointingly, the LT has the same basic interior design and hard plastic interior panels, and doesn't really offer any features that you can't get on the Ford. Look at an F-150 King Ranch and you'll be looking at pretty much the same truck.
In this ultra-niche segment, the 2008 Lincoln Mark LT faces just one direct competitor, the Cadillac Escalade EXT. And the Caddy, due to its superior performance (0-60 a full 3 seconds quicker), more refined cabin and greater functionality, is easily the better luxury pickup truck. If, by chance, you find yourself choosing the Mark LT, you'll likely want to make your purchase this year -- it's expected that Lincoln will discontinue the truck after 2008 due to slow sales.
Anyway, the King Ranch and LT are built on the same assembly line. The LT gets some Lincoln badges and chrome and slightly different seats.
You may have it all together in NO--that's fine with me--but the high end F150s already far outsell the LT. Do your own homework for a change, have it corrected, and try to base it on something more than vapor, emotion and a good night on Bourbon St. It's ok you bought an LT and that you really like it, and that you have strong opinions. But facts are facts and the LT has done dismally in the marketplace. The marketplace Has spoken.
#347 of 380 Re: 2008 Mark LT [gregg_vw]
Sep 24, 2008 (6:03 pm)
The King Ranch sold because it was marketed correctly ! It is not a luxury truck, it is an upgraded work truck that is targeted at construction service business owners. That is why it did well ! Now if you would drink a couple of New Orleans Hurricanes that are very good, you can think straight. King Ranch is not a luxury truck, the LT is. The F-150 Platinum sales will fall a little short below the LT. Allowing the LT to return in 2011. Remember we are talking about two different animals ! The LT is the steak and potatoes and the F-150 a good truck, but is hot dogs and apple pie ! Or like what we say in New Orleans, Woooooo those osyters and crawfish are good shar....Have a good day sir.
#348 of 380 Re: 2008 Mark LT [gregg_vw]
Sep 24, 2008 (6:19 pm)
Sir I would not put alot weight into the Edmunds article, it is not supported by industry facts. Some writers are bias and are motivated by other missions geared to various industries. You need to drink more wine ! Thank You sir
#349 of 380 Re: 2008 Mark LT [asaro]
Sep 25, 2008 (5:24 am)
And you obviously can't see the forest for the trees. So ok, have it your way. The LT and King Ranch are different animals. And the LT is coming back in 2011. Right.
#350 of 380 Re: 2008 Mark LT [asaro]
by KCRam@Edmunds HOST
Sep 25, 2008 (4:08 pm)
The F-150 Platinum sales will fall a little short below the LT.
Last month, the Mark LT sold exactly 562 units. Even the Nissan Titan sold 10 times as many (5871). In fact, that Titan sales for August 08 are larger than the Mark LT sales for the first 8 months of 2007 (5858) and almost double the Mark LT's total for 2008 (3276).
Chevy sold 55,765 Silverados in August 2008... nearly 100x more than the LT.
asaro, there's nothing wrong with being a fan of any given vehicle. But those hard numbers tell the story. Unless you're in upper management at Ford, your statements are speculation at best. And those Mark LT sales numbers come directly from Ford.
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