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#139 of 2122 Re: saw the 05 frontier in person !! [sigsauer]
Nov 01, 2004 (10:25 am)
Thanks for the update Sigsauer, truly appreciated. While it seemed from this visit you were generally disappointed, it somewhat swayed me further to wait for the 05 Frontier, however I'll play some devils advocate with your review.
I appreciate your taking a good look and good notes on the truck, but without actually sitting in and driving a production unit 05 Frontier, it is hard to tell how well put together it really is. While there may have been no way to tell if the Fronty was production, it's hard to compare it to a production 05 Tacoma you can sit in. I think there was probably many good reasons Nissan didnt want anyone to get too close, or sit in the vehicle if it wasnt a final version. I know they did this with the Titan before it first came out too. SO I wont judge Quality fit and finsish till I sit in one.
Interior wise it sounds like the difference between you and I has more to do with preference. You said you didnt like the fact all the door panels were plastic. Plastic texture aside, I rather have more plastic like material on the doors and everywhere else in the car and definitely no cloth! The fact that Toyota put cloth on the doors is a big NO NO to me, especially in a pickup truck. This includes the cloth/sports seats as well. While my truck will be a dialy commuter, I also plan on taking it out camping, hiking, trails, to the lake, off-road, etc. While opinions differ on this, from my own experience, cloth is going to be the first thing that gets dirty and the hardest thing to clean... if it can even be cleand. I want surfaces that can be easily cleaned and wiped down, including leather! I want my car's interior to look in the best shape possible for the longest time, and I want as little cloth and carpet showing as possible. I will even be replacing my carpeted Mats for Rubber ones
Also, as far as the power seat goes, do you remember what trim model of the 05 Frontier you saw? How many adjustment controls were on the side of the drivers seat? Ive seen several pictures of 05 Frontier Crew Cabs that that show 2 seperate controls for power seats on the drivers side. The Titan has the same setup and it took me a minute or 2 to figure out the height did adjust on that too. Also, I looked at Nissan's website and they offer 8 Way power seats as swell on the new 05 Pathfinders. While this doesnt guarentee anything, the new Pathfinders and Frontiers share the same platform, interior parts and design, so Im remaining hopefull. Again, I can't comment until I sit in one and official specs are released on all packages with power seats.
In any event, the options and packages that are being offered, are above and beyong the Tacoma; and it still has me leaning towards the new Frontier. Like I said, I really loved the Titan and all the options it offered, but just found it a bit too big (and gas guzzling) for my taste. But you can get a 2WD Titan for the price of a new 4x4 Tacoma! DOH! With that said, based on early numbers, I'm guessing I can get a fully loaded 4x4 Frontier with all of the options I want (and Tacoma doesnt offer), for only a little more than a 05 Tacoma 4x2 loaded.
In addition, the fact more people will buy a Taco is actually a turnoff to me in certain respects since I like having something you don't necessarily see alot of on the road. Even my 2001 Frontier looked more unique when driving since you dont see as many of them in the LA area as you do Tacos every other truck. However I know that thats a good thing too for aftermarket But the only major thing I see adding aftermarket is NAV, which will be easier in the new 05 Frontier, and possibly a 2-3" lift... which i think wont be out of the question at a later date.
Last question for you Sigsauer, what area do you live in? I'd love to know when and if the 05s do hit the lots in the next 2 weeks. I am on about 6 dealer lists in the San Fernando/LA, CA area that told me they will call as soon as one hits the lot for a test drive.
Thanks again for all the info! Truly appreciated!
Just giving the benefit of the dubt to the Fronty.
Nov 01, 2004 (12:19 pm)
few comments on your responses:
- yes, i believe the frontier was a pre-production unit. production for these didn't start until Oct 21 and the tag i saw had 8/04 date on it. i truly hope it'll be drastically different in terms of fit and finish on the production one since like you, i also want to be 'unique' somewhat from the taco crowd.
- i too agree that w/ that cloth material on the door panel of the taco, it'd be worn, dirty very quick. but to me it was nicer in terms of look than the all plastic panel of the frontier. i really hope that the production units will have better, different plastic texture w/ some highlight colors like the taco though. i don't mind if i pay 15K for a truck w/ cheap materials but for a mid 20K truck i'd expect a little nicer.
- the trim model i saw was an SE,i believe and it had 2 control parts. it'd be very interesting to me if those 2 parts somehow can be manipulated to raise the seat up/down as it shouldn't take much brain power to test all the movements of the 2 simple controls. there was 1 horizontal control which can only move forward/backward; it didn't move up or down as i tried. and there was the vertical control which can only be tilted forward/backward for back rest and it didn't move up or down either. hopefully being a preproduction unit, all the seat movements weren't all yet implemented.
- very much agree w/ you on the options and packages offered by nissan vs the very restrictive options on tacos.
- i just hope the manual shift on the frontier will be shorter and smoother, less effort to shift into reverse than the manual trans on taco. it took some unnecessary force to get the stick shifted into reverse position on the taco and i hated that.
- forgot to mention in the previous post that personally i like the taco's bed better. it just looks much cleaner w/o that utility track on the bottom bed and the side utility track on tacos look much more integrated (less obvious) w/ the bed rather than an add-on as in the case on the frontier. but i also hated the fact that toyota didn't put any lock on the tailgate or their new side storage compartments. well, but it would still be better to have unlockable storage compartments than frontier's lack of storage compartments though. the least nissan could have done is have the similar lockable outside bed storage bin on the frontier like it has on the titan.
- i live in the north orange county area and yesterday i was told by a salesman at the cerritos nissan dealer that in about 2 wks they'd be getting one of the very few frontiers initially.
i too will wait it out for the frontier before making my purchase as well since i'm in no hurry. my daily ride is still fine for me.
why can't nissan and toyota combine their best features into 1 model so i can't complain on anything about both products
#141 of 2122 Re: hkings ... [sigsauer]
Nov 01, 2004 (12:48 pm)
I know what you mean Sigsauer. I was planning on spending even closer to $25-$30,000 for a new truck and just my inital impression, it seemed that the Toyota was skimping on quite a few options and features for that price. What probably made me more frustrated than the price, is the fact the options arent even offered!
I also agree with you on the tailgate lock. I had it on my 01 Frontier, not sure why it's not on the 05 Tacoma.
Sigsauer, can you keep in touch with me and email me at HKINGSaol.com and let me know when (and if) Cerritos Nissan gets in their first 05 Frontier because the sooner I test one out the sooner I can make up my mind
#142 of 2122 Re: hkings ... [sigsauer]
Nov 01, 2004 (2:32 pm)
Just wanted to give you an update on Cerritos Nissan. I shot an email over to Cerritos via their website just for laughs to see what they would tell me about the 05 Frontiers availability. The Internet / Fleet manager called me within 15 minutes and he basically told me that they would get their very first 05 Frontiers inbetween Christmas and the New Year. I mentioned I had a friend whom said a sales person told him they might get one in the next 2 weeks, and he seemed clueless, but he did say he would give me a call as soon as one came in.
Basically he said that Nissan waited to ship to Dealers until all dealers could display them at about the same time, much like Toyota did with the Tacoma.
So long sotry short, WHO KNOWS! LOL... between all the dealers Ive called and all the info Ive seen Ive heard anywhere from Mid November to Mid December, to mid January all the way to mid February! Seriously, I wish car manufactuers and dealers could communicate a friggin release date properly! It's not that hard! We can fly men to the moon, but to get a release date on a new model year truck nowadays is impossible to do within a 3 month range.
Obviously I know most of it has to do with keeping mum until they can clear out more 04's, and dealers usually dont like spending much time working with someone who isnt going to buy something already on their lot. Oh well... The waiting game begins!
Nov 01, 2004 (3:36 pm)
hkings - thanks for making me more disappointed about nissan but seriously, the dude that i talked to yesterday, did told me in 2 wks. oh well, by now i should have known better to trust car salesmen in any thing and especially about cars . the nissan show rep said they are being shipped this month, the car sales dude said in 2 weeks and now the internet sales dude say in 2 months. freaking dumb azzes!!! i don't think these guys get paid very well and therefore don't take their jobs seriously enough to be knowledgeable about anything. i wonder what is the turnover rate of car salesmen?? probably 50% a month eh? ok, enough of bashing for today
sure, i'll keep you in touch via email or this forum in any event that i think you'd be interested to know about the frontier.
#146 of 2122 UPDATE: Some good news Sigsauer!!!
Nov 03, 2004 (11:18 am)
I contacted the gentleman who took the photos from the forum above and this is what he has to say about the lift kit situation and supercharger mod.
"The supercharger is made by Stillen and looks like the 350Z unit already for sale by Stillen. Looks like minor plumbing was done for install. The lift kit is simple. It was a spacer between the strut mount and a shackle in the rear for about a 2.5" lift. I spoke with CST and they were approached by Nissan to fab up a lift spindle for the Frontier and Xterra but CST is
worried about the popularity of the new Nissan. You have to consider that they make kits for the Titan both 2 and 4 wheel drive. CST will be releasing a 5" spindle lift for the Colorado and Canyon 2wd next month. Calmini is the only company making a lift for the Frontier, Xterra and Pathfinder. I will be going back to the show on Friday to ask some serious questions."
Anyway, that is it for now. I for one am excited and if I get an 05 Frontier, I may just go with the simple solution stated above as I'm just looking to get about 2-3 inches of additional clearance to put some bigger 32-33" inch tires on. I asked a few more detailed questions, so if I learn anything new I will post it.
Nov 03, 2004 (1:05 pm)
thanks hkings !! yep, very nice pic and i especially like the extra hp/torque. hopefully the guy who posted the pic can ask more detailed question like mpg, premium or reg fuel on stock engine.
personally, i don't particularly like the spaceer type of setup for lift. hopefully someone will come out w/ a real lift kit soon. if the nissan folks are smart, they should partially fund or invest in the lift project to help the oem guys feel better about making one. rancho and fabtech are the 2 companies that i consider making good suspension lift. don't know anything about cst or calmini companies at all.
only if i know someone is making aftermarket replacement for the cheap plastic of the door panels then i'd be a really happy camper
i also noticed from the pic, both taco and frontier don't have the sound insulation layer underneath the hood anymore. cost cutting at the expense of noisy engine sound