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#131 of 2122 Re: 2005 Frontier NISMO Off-road Price? [sigsauer]
Oct 28, 2004 (12:09 pm)
Yeah, I just noticed that myself. However, I spoke with a few dealers and Nissan corporate regarding the 2005 Frontier and I was told that while some trucks may actually hit lots by the middle of November, the official release is going to be December 2004.
As far as a lift kit goes, Id be very interested in a 2-3" Lift as I noticed the 05's look to sit a bit lower than the 05 Tacoma. However, the 05 Tacoma also has less ground clearance than the 04 so they may actually be closer than it looks... it might be decieving. Since the 05 Tacomas and Frontiers are brand new, its going to take a bit before some lift kits come out. However I have seen 01-04 Frontiers lifted so I'm guessing it wont be non-existant. In any event, the first thing Im going to do to either my new Frontier (very likely) or new Tacoma (less likely) is put on some Bridgestone Dueler Revo A/T's that are slightly taller than the stock.
As far as comparing this truck to the new 05 Tacoma, I have already driven the 05 Tacoma 3 times. While it is nice and a big improvement over the 04's, it's just lacking something. I wanted to get a fully loaded TRD Off-Road, Double Cab in either 4x2 or 4x4. Even after a $2000 MSRP discount I was looking at $27-$30K after taxes. For that money, it just seemed like I would be dissapointed with what I was getting.
After checking out photos, specs, and Future Frontier Builder, for the MSRP of about $29,500 you can get a Crew Cab with Power Moonroof, Leather/Memory/Power Heated seats, Roof Rack, Chrome bumpers, side mirrors AND door handles. These are all things, maybe small, that Tacoma doesnt even OFFER at this price. Other things I personally liked better was the Hand emergency brake (Tacoma is foot), the Dash (MUCH easier to pop in the aftermarket NAV sytem Im going to buy). In addition, the new 05 Frontier engine will be pumping out 265HP (vs 245hp for Taco) and more Torque! (Only a drive will determine the actual power though)
The Tacoma drove nice, but the seats only had 2 friggen adjustments... Forward and Back, and Lumbar. What the ????! I am only 5'7" and I like to sit higher in my truck so as to see the road better. In the Tacoma, I felt so low in the seat it was uncomfortable to drive and see well; and I couldnt do anything about it! Booster seat maybe? $30K and not even an option for power seats? Thats why I mentioned the 05 Frontier having 6-way power seats above. Hopefully I should be able to adjust my height.
Also, the intereior shot I saw with the leather just looks like its worth the $30K... the Tacoma doesn't. In any event I will be waiting and I agree with you Sigsauer, the 05 Frontier is really growing on me... I love the front chrome bumper too!
Check out www.nissannews.com for a bunch of pics!
#132 of 2122 Re: 2005 Frontier NISMO Off-road Price? [hkings]
Oct 28, 2004 (3:29 pm)
it's more like official released "month" going to be in december they didn't happen to mention if it's going to be at the beginning or the ending of december, did they? then why the heck did they list jan for availability on the website??
which dealer offered you the 2K off msrp? if you live in CA and don't mind disclosing that infor to me in case i can't wait for the new frontier to come out
i too test drove the 05 tacos both w/ manual and auto a few times as well. neither of which seems to be that powerful or torquey to me. but their spec, performance data sure looks pretty good on paper though.
yes, i agreed both 05 taco and 05 fronty sit a lot lower then their previous models which scream out "lift me !!"
the 01-04 frontiers you saw lifted probably were k/c and not c/c and probably some had only a body lift. i checked w/ big suspension kit manufacturers like rancho, superlift, procomp, donahoe racing, fabtech, skyjacker and none has suspension lift for later models of c/c frontier.
for taco, i only wanted the basics like v6 d/c pre-runner, manual, sr5. no need to pay extras for the sport or off-road pkg since there will be new shocks, coils, rims, tires when lifting it anyway. however toyota didn't even offer manual trans for d/c pre-runner.
i think if i list the pros/cons of nissan and toyota, the pros side of toyota will be longer but still there's some part of me that doesn't feel completely comfortable getting the taco now (yes, i'd have to go w/ an auto trans) w/o seeing/driving the frontier first
oh, i also checked out the new 05 pathfinder and really like the integrated head rests of the 2nd row. you can push them all the way down when not in use and can see thru the back window nicely. on the new taco and frontier this isn't possible.
#133 of 2122 Re: 2005 Frontier NISMO Off-road Price? [sigsauer]
Oct 29, 2004 (8:40 am)
Just some specs (and guesses) on height and ground clearance. I'm basing the ground clearance specs on the 2005 Pathfinder SE Off-Road since its based on the same platform as the new Fronty.
Height = 70.1" (without roof rack)
Ground Clearance = 9.4" - 9.5"
Height = 70.1" (without roof rack)
Ground Clearance = 8.6" - 9.2" (apprx guess)
It looks as if the 05 Tacoma only has 0.3" - 0.8" more ground clearance which I know I will at least make up when I put in slightly taller tires.
But I would like to get 2" - 3" extra clearance in there for good measure. I have seen 01-04 Fontier crew cabs lifted (almost bought one), and more importantly new 04 Titans lifted. And as far as I know most of the platform and technology is borrowed from the Titan. This could be could news for us once the 05 Frontier comes out. Only time will tell at this point. The Tacoma is tempting, but Im still gonna wait for the Frontier to give it a shot and probably buy one. I owned a 2001 crew cab which I loved. If worse comes to worse, and it completely dissapoints me, which I kind of doubt, then I will look into the Tacoma again which will most likely have more inventory, more comptetition, and thus better dealer incentives
#134 of 2122 Re: 2005 Frontier NISMO Off-road Price? [hkings]
Oct 29, 2004 (9:00 am)
Interesting discussion guys, I'm in same boat. I liked the Tacoma, and have gone to many dealers in search of best price. Have some good leads, BUT I'm being told 6-8 weeks for a manual 4x4 D-cab to get here (NY) cause I gotta order. 6-8 weeks gives the Frontier a chance which I know I can get a good deal on. I shouldn't "lock" myself in a Tacoma if Dec is when the Frontier will come out.
#135 of 2122 lift kits for 05 frontier ?
Oct 29, 2004 (11:20 am)
yes, there are titan lift kits available and hopefuly you're right that they will make them for the frontiers as well since the 2 trucks shared much in common. i'd be really bumped if i got the frontier and couldn't find the lift kit later. almost like wearing a tuxedo top but couldn't find the pants to match. i had my ford ranger and dodge ram lifted before and they are nice when sitting up high seeing everything that drivers in the little cars can't see
#136 of 2122 Couple of Questions
Oct 29, 2004 (11:26 am)
Before they took the "build your Frontier" link off. Does anyone remember the following?
1. Is stability control offered? Do you have to get some expensive package or top of the line model?
2. The pictures on the Nissan website showed what looks to be a power sunroof? Again, is that only for the top of the line model?
3. Are side curtain airbags offered? Again, does it require a top of the line package?
4. The pictures on the Nissan website show plastic organizers underneath the flip up seats on the crew cab. They look like they are removable. Does anyone know? I like the Titan because you can create a flat floor for dogs and stuff. Every other truck maker seems to be missing the boat on this. If the plastic junk down their is permanent, Nissan really screwed up on this issue.
I want a basic 4wd crew cab with a flat rear floor. However, I would like a sunroof, and I also told myself I am not buying another tall rollover prone vehicle without stability control and curtain airbags. Please make me happy Nissan. I like everything else about the truck.
#137 of 2122 Re: Couple of Questions [atlgaxt]
Oct 29, 2004 (1:01 pm)
I will try and answer your questions as best as I can. Keep in mind that I myself was pricing out a fully loaded, top-of-the-line NISMO off road edition. In addition, Im also basing my answers on the photos and info I analyzed at:
http://www.nissannews.com/multimedia/nissan2005/frontier_crewcab.- - shtml
http://www.nissanusa.com/content/0,,action-NStaticLoader_path-ni- - ssanfuturestaticfutureModels,00.html
1.) Some form of stabilty control will be offered, along with up and down hill assist. Looks to be on at least top-of the line model, but not sure how it will be packaged.
2.) A Power sunroof will be offered. Again, looks to be on at least top-of the line model, but not sure how it will be packaged.
3.) Side & Curtain airbags will be offered. Again, looks to be on at least top-of the line model, but not sure how it will be packaged.
4.) This I have no idea about. sorry.
Again, I dont know how the packages will be done, but judging by the Titan, things like Moonroof maybe packaged with other luxuary type items like upgraded stereo systems and possibly leather. We will probably have to wait until Dec. 1st to officially find out.
I personally love the Titan myself, but am having problems bringing myself to the reality of driving such a huge vehicle that will prove to be hard to manuever in the city (Southern California), and that gets less then average gas mileage. I just sold my 2001 Frontier a month ago since the warranty was going to expire and I have no hesitation going back to a Frontier seeing as how this one looks to be even nicer, and a touch bigger... especially the engine!
#138 of 2122 saw the 05 frontier in person !!
Oct 31, 2004 (4:48 pm)
i know most of us are anxious to see one. last nite, i saw it at the anaheim autoshow. too bad it was on the platform, no one could sit in or take a closer look. it was a d/c se model w/ leather pkg w/ power seats, sunroof, fixed back window, the color was a nice while/silver color.
- outside design curves, integrated fender flares, front hood design, looks tougher than the 05 taco.
- the fitting and finishing touch didn't seem to be very good in quality. there were obvious signs of foam filler in between the front doors and the body that was painted over. the weather seals didn't go all around the doors (would be noisy i think).
- the truck visually look even shorter or closer to the ground than the already low taco.
- no bracket in the rear axle to mount anti-sway bar.
- the small storage bin underneath didn't have carpet on the side like the taco so it look quite cheap. on the sides on the seats, they were all plastic, uncarpeted.
- my biggest gripe about it is the entire 4 inside door panels were made out of plastic w/ very cheap texture, color; it screamed "cheapo!!") really loud. the taco inner panels at least have nicer texture on their plastic, have 2 different constrasting colors and some cloth like material on each panel.
- the fitting of the arm rest on the doors didn't look like it was very tight fit; unlike the taco's.
- i reached over the platform rails to test the power seat buttons - for you hkings - and it didn't move up or down; only 4 directions: forward, backward for the seat and reclining forward/backward for the back rest.
i spent quite sometime looking at it to see if there is something else that i like about it but too bad - none. i even walk back and forth b/t the taco and frontier a few times to compare and the more times i spent on the taco, the more i appreciate its workmanship and quality, even though i really hate taco front dashboard, the radio and the ugly gauges.
hkings - like you, i was more set on the frontier for its packages/options and especially 2wd d/c w/ manual trans. but if i had to buy a truck last nite, it would have been the taco; sadly to say.
since i'm not in a realy hurry to buy, i'll wait until the frontier hit the showroom, do some test drive before i sign the check (probably to the taco salesman - especially now i know i can get invoice prices on them). talked to a show rep there and he said there are actually some frontier already being shipped to the dealer and sometimes in the next 2 weeks i should be seeing some in the area. hopefully he was telling the truth.
other general observation: there were a lot of people around the tacos - could be due to the fact that there were a couple of them on the floor and people can actualy sit in them. but there was very light audience around the frontier and for the ones that saw it, they didn't show much interest . unscientifically speaking, i can predict there are going to be a lot more taco buyers than frontier buyers which translate to aftermarket parts availablilty
#139 of 2122 Re: saw the 05 frontier in person !! [sigsauer]
Nov 01, 2004 (10:25 am)
Thanks for the update Sigsauer, truly appreciated. While it seemed from this visit you were generally disappointed, it somewhat swayed me further to wait for the 05 Frontier, however I'll play some devils advocate with your review.
I appreciate your taking a good look and good notes on the truck, but without actually sitting in and driving a production unit 05 Frontier, it is hard to tell how well put together it really is. While there may have been no way to tell if the Fronty was production, it's hard to compare it to a production 05 Tacoma you can sit in. I think there was probably many good reasons Nissan didnt want anyone to get too close, or sit in the vehicle if it wasnt a final version. I know they did this with the Titan before it first came out too. SO I wont judge Quality fit and finsish till I sit in one.
Interior wise it sounds like the difference between you and I has more to do with preference. You said you didnt like the fact all the door panels were plastic. Plastic texture aside, I rather have more plastic like material on the doors and everywhere else in the car and definitely no cloth! The fact that Toyota put cloth on the doors is a big NO NO to me, especially in a pickup truck. This includes the cloth/sports seats as well. While my truck will be a dialy commuter, I also plan on taking it out camping, hiking, trails, to the lake, off-road, etc. While opinions differ on this, from my own experience, cloth is going to be the first thing that gets dirty and the hardest thing to clean... if it can even be cleand. I want surfaces that can be easily cleaned and wiped down, including leather! I want my car's interior to look in the best shape possible for the longest time, and I want as little cloth and carpet showing as possible. I will even be replacing my carpeted Mats for Rubber ones
Also, as far as the power seat goes, do you remember what trim model of the 05 Frontier you saw? How many adjustment controls were on the side of the drivers seat? Ive seen several pictures of 05 Frontier Crew Cabs that that show 2 seperate controls for power seats on the drivers side. The Titan has the same setup and it took me a minute or 2 to figure out the height did adjust on that too. Also, I looked at Nissan's website and they offer 8 Way power seats as swell on the new 05 Pathfinders. While this doesnt guarentee anything, the new Pathfinders and Frontiers share the same platform, interior parts and design, so Im remaining hopefull. Again, I can't comment until I sit in one and official specs are released on all packages with power seats.
In any event, the options and packages that are being offered, are above and beyong the Tacoma; and it still has me leaning towards the new Frontier. Like I said, I really loved the Titan and all the options it offered, but just found it a bit too big (and gas guzzling) for my taste. But you can get a 2WD Titan for the price of a new 4x4 Tacoma! DOH! With that said, based on early numbers, I'm guessing I can get a fully loaded 4x4 Frontier with all of the options I want (and Tacoma doesnt offer), for only a little more than a 05 Tacoma 4x2 loaded.
In addition, the fact more people will buy a Taco is actually a turnoff to me in certain respects since I like having something you don't necessarily see alot of on the road. Even my 2001 Frontier looked more unique when driving since you dont see as many of them in the LA area as you do Tacos every other truck. However I know that thats a good thing too for aftermarket But the only major thing I see adding aftermarket is NAV, which will be easier in the new 05 Frontier, and possibly a 2-3" lift... which i think wont be out of the question at a later date.
Last question for you Sigsauer, what area do you live in? I'd love to know when and if the 05s do hit the lots in the next 2 weeks. I am on about 6 dealer lists in the San Fernando/LA, CA area that told me they will call as soon as one hits the lot for a test drive.
Thanks again for all the info! Truly appreciated!
Just giving the benefit of the dubt to the Fronty.
Nov 01, 2004 (12:19 pm)
few comments on your responses:
- yes, i believe the frontier was a pre-production unit. production for these didn't start until Oct 21 and the tag i saw had 8/04 date on it. i truly hope it'll be drastically different in terms of fit and finish on the production one since like you, i also want to be 'unique' somewhat from the taco crowd.
- i too agree that w/ that cloth material on the door panel of the taco, it'd be worn, dirty very quick. but to me it was nicer in terms of look than the all plastic panel of the frontier. i really hope that the production units will have better, different plastic texture w/ some highlight colors like the taco though. i don't mind if i pay 15K for a truck w/ cheap materials but for a mid 20K truck i'd expect a little nicer.
- the trim model i saw was an SE,i believe and it had 2 control parts. it'd be very interesting to me if those 2 parts somehow can be manipulated to raise the seat up/down as it shouldn't take much brain power to test all the movements of the 2 simple controls. there was 1 horizontal control which can only move forward/backward; it didn't move up or down as i tried. and there was the vertical control which can only be tilted forward/backward for back rest and it didn't move up or down either. hopefully being a preproduction unit, all the seat movements weren't all yet implemented.
- very much agree w/ you on the options and packages offered by nissan vs the very restrictive options on tacos.
- i just hope the manual shift on the frontier will be shorter and smoother, less effort to shift into reverse than the manual trans on taco. it took some unnecessary force to get the stick shifted into reverse position on the taco and i hated that.
- forgot to mention in the previous post that personally i like the taco's bed better. it just looks much cleaner w/o that utility track on the bottom bed and the side utility track on tacos look much more integrated (less obvious) w/ the bed rather than an add-on as in the case on the frontier. but i also hated the fact that toyota didn't put any lock on the tailgate or their new side storage compartments. well, but it would still be better to have unlockable storage compartments than frontier's lack of storage compartments though. the least nissan could have done is have the similar lockable outside bed storage bin on the frontier like it has on the titan.
- i live in the north orange county area and yesterday i was told by a salesman at the cerritos nissan dealer that in about 2 wks they'd be getting one of the very few frontiers initially.
i too will wait it out for the frontier before making my purchase as well since i'm in no hurry. my daily ride is still fine for me.
why can't nissan and toyota combine their best features into 1 model so i can't complain on anything about both products